to be fed up with the bad association people see to have with social housing?

[NoahVale]

PEOPLE at work criticizing the new builds which, shock horror, also contain Social Housing
tales of people complaining that they are buying houses the same as those in social housing

and others putting down social housing residents. of which I am

Jobseeker, judgy much?

This is why Labour is hemorraging voters. They are not listening or even pretending to care about their core vote anymore and that vote used to include social housing tenants.

I saw a very worrying party political broadcast by the Godawful UKIP a few weeks ago They went into a couple of rented homes including one where they had been waiting for weeks for their shower to be fixed. Apparently one call from UKIP and it was fixed the next day.
Now i would NEVER vote for UKIP but if they are putting those kind of broadcasts out and presenting themselves as the ones who are actually listening to social housing tenants many tenants will.

I think there are about 3 million social housing tenants. Still sure you want to vilify them Jobseeker?

Job seeker when were you canvassing?

Have to say I agree with Helena, I was always labour till Blair was leader. It then became tory lite with similar attitudes. Even if you disregard principles surely you should at least be faithful to your core voters? That's just good sense! Tories as bad, Thatcher had more sense than to mess with the drs or military (core tory voters).

CantWaitForWarmWeather PEOPLE at work criticising the new builds which, shock horror, also contain Social Housing tales of people complaining that they are buying houses the same as those in social housing

Oh boo fucking hoo. They can always apply for a council house

Why on earth shouldn't people on lower incomes or who have a crap credit score have the opportunity to live in a lovely home?

Some people are so bitter it's unbelievable

I don't think it's bitterness. I think it's frustration with the system. As that Labour canvasser said, when she was 'walking the beat' and all those people told her they were better off under Labour, I bet they weren't talking about job creation but more how much money they can get for nothing.

I think the frustration comes in as my DH and I scrimped and saved to get up the property ladder. When we bought our first place, the top floor was uninhabitable for 3 years while we saved to have it renovated. When people can rent a "lovely home" for under market price, it can stick in the craw if you work hard and make sacrifices to do the same as you pay full market price.

I had to take the day off work yesterday for a tradesman. They showed very late and I had to pay from my own pocket for the privilege.

Your 'boo fucking hoo' comment stinks. I think people living in rent-reduced property should feel pretty bloody lucky that they were born in a country where it's possible.

@OP I think that the negative association is from the media and also peoples' experience witnessing what some social housing tenants can be like. It's unfair but sadly people are judgemental and bigoted. It's human nature and the best thing anyone can do when judged negatively is prove the others wrong.

It's not rent reduced it's fair rent.

Around here the HA houses are as near market rent as one can be without being called market rent.

Private house rent 140pw two doors up HA one 132 but the ha one is smaller and does not have a drive.

I moved into a new build HA in January. The vetting, references and finance checks they went through before offering a tenancy was quite full on. The only person who has done something twattish and antisocial is one of the people who actually bought their flat.

"It's not rent reduced it's fair rent.

Around here the HA houses are as near market rent as one can be without being called market rent"

I'm a big believer in the free market so we'll have to disagree as to a definition of 'fair' as to my mind it's what the market will take.

If there is no discernible decrease in rent and the references and finance checks are as rigorous as Medusacascade says (and I'm not suggesting she's wrong) then why do people use HA housing as opposed to regular renting?

At a guess because its a secure tenancy and private renting is not maybe?

Helena you are still posting about gas appointments on renting threads be actually started looking for them lol

I've actually started looking for them even!

When me and DH bought our first house on the day we want to the solicitor to complete she said " you do realise that there are also a lot of social housing on the estate don't you?"
Wasn't a problem as far as we were concerned but after 2 years of hell we were bloody lucky to sell the house for slightly less than we paid for it. The problem was that for some reason the council decided to use some of the houses for families with issues and even one lady in hiding from her drug dealer boyfriend ( he found her!!) The street ended up with quite a reputation locally
I'm sure there are plenty of people in social housing who are great and plenty of people who own their houses who are a nightmare but my experience was very different and I would never ever buy anywhere near social housing again if I could help it.

I think it's probably fair to say that if you're borrowing many times your salary and will be paying your mortgage back for 25 years you probably want to cut the risk of that purchase, and as above that may indeed mean choosing not to purchase near social housing. In very expensive cities it's often different- a 3 bed ex council house in my city will cost £500k so people aren't so precious about it- only so many people can afford choice at that price! But in many other places areas with lots of social housing are considered rough areas, so you can see why people avoid.

We bought new build in 2003 and it was standard for a portion of them to be HA.

Some people are dicks, in all groups.

We moved into another new build four years ago. One family does cause trouble. I didn't know until last year (when another neighbour complained) that they were HA. Didn't enter my head.

They don't cause trouble because they are HA tenants. They are just dicks.

It never even entered my head to ask which were HA when I chose which plot I wanted. Or to try and find out after.

I know my mum hates that the houses either side of her are now private rents. Because there is a lot more noise and problems. But, again, she doesn't care if they private tenants or getting HB. She just hates that they don't give a shit.

LOADS of kids everywhere, and both parents there in the day in the week. As a labour canvasser it was annoying.

Me and dh work from home so are both in during the day. We also did home schooling and I reduced my hours. Loads of people assumed we were dossers and it pissed me off.

I take it you would assume we do t work either?

I didn't assume anything! I just said it was a contrast to the ghost town feel of the rest of the estate. 'YOU made up any judgy bullshit.

When you don't own the place, you are less likely to look after it as much as if you don't. When DH and I rented, we barely touched the garden...why on earth would we? Now we own our own place, we garden every weekend. I think that is just a small example of the issue.

Rubbish angeles02, ive got friends and family who live in council housing and their homes are nicely decorated, clean, tidy and yes that extends to the garden. My parents both grew up in council house, my maternal grandparents in particular were gardening obsessed and had a lovely garden (front and back). Paternal grandmother was cleaning obsessed and you could eat off the floors in her house.

Now I often work on a very deprived, rough estate and some of the houses are like little palaces.

Angelos, I don't think that's true. We rent abroad, and we garden ourselves and pay for a gardener to come in as per the tenancy agreement. The place we rent is someone's forever home, and ours is rented out in the UK. I look after our rental, as the financial comeback if you don't when you leave runs into the thousands. Moreover, I hate the fact that my previous tenants but one caused damage to my house, so I am careful with our rental, as I don't want to cause the same hassle for our landlords.

I.ve noticed that as the number of rented properties increases in our village the standard of upkeep has gone down. Block paving full of weeds, lawns not cut, one house which constantly has old furniture and domestic appliances put out. this is a rather pretty village and these houses detract from the environment in general.

Have lived in such a development. 35 blocks of flats: 3 private, 2 social in a brilliant location in a sought after London postcode. Bought off plan. Took about 6 months for the divide to become really obvious with, I'm afraid, the stereotypical antisocial behaviour from the social tenants. Loud music at all hours, unregistered cars abandoned in (paid for) resident parking spaces, rubbish dumped all over the site instead of in the rubbish rooms, washing drying on balconies, bikes on balconies instead of in the bike rooms, BBWWS (forbidden in the lease), kids playing out unsupervised etc. My flat overlooked one block so I saw it all.

The HA were useless and didn't pursue the breaches of the leases despite promising all buyers they would.

Luckily the property market was booming so I cashed in and moved away from London completely.

*BBQs, not BBWWS.

we live in a HA house. no choice . we look after our house and garden its our home.
the pure snobbery about HA and council always makes me lol.
like family who will moan about SH being built near them,,,, and when you point out the fact you live in SH
well thats different.
yep snobbery and jeaolousy

I used to live in a mixed block - roughly fifty fifty private and sh.
The majority of the sh tenants were just normal, hardworking people. Decent as neighbours, quiet, blah blah.
However, there were two families in the block that were true nightmare neighbours. Karaoke until 5am, drugs, weapons, fights, dogs allowed to soil indoors etc. Repeated complaints (by both the private and the sh tenants) got nowhere.

The HA also 'fixed' the sh bathrooms by venting the bathroom extractor fans directly into the cavity wall leading to serious damp and mould in the flats below. They refused to put it right and the legal battle is still ongoing.

I would avoid sh in future. 95% of tenants are fine but the % that are t are bad. And the HA themselves were a terrible neighbour.

I'm afraid I disagree with tenancies for life as well. We don't have enough housing stock to do that.

I live in social housing lots of myths and misconceptions here the only reason I don't work is because i have a disabled child ds2 is severely autistic 8,m a trained nurse I gave up work to be his carer, dh works full time but if we had a labour canvasser,call.at the house today for example they may well assume that neither of us work,as dh starts work at 3pm today and finishes at 11pm , we get a little housing benefit now I, m a carer as in my council you get extra credits for being a carer and having a disabled child my house is clean and tidy untill ds2 gets home from school and destroys it again ,for some new build houses that are social housing preferance was given to working families.

Its like people are torn when you read these threads. On the one hand they want working families hoofed out of SH to make it truely a part of the welfare state and on the other want to moan about stereotypical SH HB claiming scum messing up the area.

Pick your whinge man!