AIBU to think the death penalty should sometimes be used?

[Gide]

In cases such as mass murderers, paedophiles, rapists? Obviously only if there is absolutely no doubt at all about their guilt.

[pineappleshortbread]

I believe in the death penalty.

I dont believe we should be supporting a certain class of criminals in prison and a life sentence doesnt mean life. It would be cheaper to remove them completely from society especially if they are unable to follow our laws.

I have no sympathy for premeditated murderers, serial killers and paedophiles.

[EveryoneElsie]

YABVU.
-A very famous survey of convicted rapists and paedophiles showed that they would be far more likely to murder their victims if their crimes carried the death penalty.
-As another poster said look how MI6 and the police lied about De Menezes, the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6. You cant take it back. A pardon or apology after the death penalty is just an insult.

[eeyorestails]

Anyone who thinks its a walk in the park in prison should watch 60 days in I believe it just started airing in the UK . It looks awful

[Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost]

I don't suppose prison is a "Walk in the park,"
But I highly doubt being raped or murdered is a Walk in the park, either.

[eeyorestails]

I didn't say it was, but there seems to be an opinion by some posters that it's easy. I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances.

[SolidGoldBrass]

YABU. It's barbaric and fundamentally wrong. Accepting that the government has the right to kill people (and to employ people to kill others) is extremely harmful to the society you live in. In effect it's a form of human sacrifice in that enthusiasts for it don't care that much about the innocence or guilt of individuals but want a symbol of 'justice' ie vengeance, and it's nearly always the poor, minorities, the 'weird' who actually get executed in a state or nation which allows the death penalty, not the 'people like us'.

[scarednoob]

augusta it's not an argument because I am not disputing it. It is what a civilised society must do, even for someone so evil that he butchered two ten year old girls.

But it is a fact that it is a waste of money that could be spent on benefiting society, not protecting one monster from the consequences of his own actions. If you think £1m a year is well spent on that, then you're welcome to your views.

[curren]

I have a complicated view on the death penalty.

I do believe some people deserve to die for their crimes. I do believe as a society it would be better if some people were sentenced to death.

However our justice system is not robust enough.

Someone somewhere has to flip the switch, I can't believe that wouldn't leave its mark.

I would prefer prison to not be a holiday camp. Having some experience of prisons (not personally but through a charity I work with) some are very much that.

I know someone who was convicted of smuggling not huge amount of drugs into the country. They did it for years. Went to an open prison. He had his own room, en suite, TV, phone (he could make calls whenever he wanted and receive them) and was allowed home every weekend. He didn't care and was planning on going straight back to it when he got out. He was very happy in there.

[hazelisours]

No-one has answered op's question about Anders Breivik. He is 100% guilty.

[curren]

Hazel no I can't agree with it even for him.

[pearlylum]

I don't agree with it for Anders Breivik. Killing another human is wrong.

[Dawndonnaagain]

It would be cheaper to remove them completely from society especially if they are unable to follow our laws.
Studies show that due to the cost of lawyers, doctors, drugs etc. It's actually cheaper to keep someone incarcerated. Apart from which one of the reasons you support the death penalty is because you'd consider it to be cheaper? Really?

[Dawndonnaagain]

Two hour execution Botched execution statistics

[PurpleDaisies]

No-one has answered op's question about Anders Breivik. He is 100% guilty.
I still don't think he should be executed. Civilised societies shouldn't kill people.

[pineappleshortbread]

I could be cheaper without drugs, doctors and allowing so mny appeals.

Even if it isnt cheaper some people are a waste of space and deserve death due to no longer belonging in society.

If someone raped or murdered my children I would want them dead and wouldn't care who carried it out, I would pull the switch if I could.

People are a little too emotional about this for my liking

[PurpleDaisies]

Even if it isnt cheaper some people are a waste of space and deserve death due to no longer belonging in society.

I don't agree with killing people but I agree some no longer belong in society. Life sentences should actually mean life in prison.

[Katarzyna79]

I agree gide. Those who say its unreasonable well they woukd chsngevtheir turn if their child was molested persistently by a paedophile, ifvtheir dsughter was gsng raped and left to die if their loved obe was brutally murdered. For the most heinous frimes where there is jo doubt yes i think.there should be capital punishment.

[Katarzyna79]

mind not turn

[LittleLionMansMummy]

It's totally illogical, apart from anything else. Murder is wrong.... unless it's murder by the state

There was a case 22 years ago where I live. A mother was tried for murdering her young son. The trial for murder collapsed but she was found guilty of cruelty and neglect. Everyone you spoke to thought she was guilty of murder. The police refused to reopen the investigation because they were sure she did it. Absolutely everyone thought she'd literally got away with murder. She always maintained her innocence. Police reopened the investigation last year following new evidence. Yesterday they arrested a man in his 30s for the boy's murder. This has merely served to reinforce my belief that you can quash a conviction, you can reopen a police investigation, you cannot bring someone back to life.

[Katarzyna79]

agree with pineapple well said id help push the switch too

[PurpleDaisies]

Those who say its unreasonable well they would change their mind if their child was molested persistently by a paedophile, if their daughter was gang raped and left to die if their loved one was brutally murdered.

How can you know that? There are families who have lost a loved one in horrendous ways but still wanted the perpetrator to be sentenced to life in prison instead of death. It's a lazy argument to say "well, you'd just change your mind if you were in that situation".

[OutsSelf]

I think £1m a year is a reasonable price to pay for the ongoing safety and freedom of this country's 10yr old girls.

There is no way I'd ever support the death sentence, not under any circumstances.

I'm not a (fucking) liberal thanks. There's nothing particularly liberal in refusing to sanction the death penalty.

[Lweji]

YABU.
I don't want legal murder.
Putting a criminal to death won't prevent any more crimes than prison and it would makes us as a society that legally murdered just as bad as them.

[pineappleshortbread]

If we are going to say its illogical as murder is wrong so therefore state murder is wrong then surely ita logical to say that the murder of individuals in war is also wrong yet we see that as a necessity of war.

Saying its illogical is lazy. Sometimes tough choices have to be made for the safety of the whole society so if a few people need to be executed to protected hundreds or thousands of others then so be it.