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AIBU to think the death penalty should sometimes be used?

236 replies

Gide · 20/04/2016 19:45

In cases such as mass murderers, paedophiles, rapists? Obviously only if there is absolutely no doubt at all about their guilt.

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Charlesroi · 20/04/2016 20:58

The death penalty is a punishment imposed by barbarians. And nobody, I repeat, NOBODY will impose it in my name.
Not happening, no way.
If you believe that killing is wrong, how can you possibly believe that killing is an appropriate punishment? FFS.

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ghostyslovesheep · 20/04/2016 20:58

yes I agree Pearly - I'm the same

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SwedishEdith · 20/04/2016 20:59

It is not about the rapist's right to live, it is about government's right to kill people. It is not only uncivilised but also dangerous to give governments that power.

Exactly.

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IrenetheQuaint · 20/04/2016 21:00

In addition to all the arguments against this above, administering the death penalty is horrible and degrading for those who have to do it.

And if we did decide to bring back the death penalty for a very small number of cases (serial killers, for instance) we would have to set up the whole legal and practical machinery (including withdrawing from the ECHR, deciding on methods, advertising for executioners etc) just to execute maybe one person every two years. Even on purely practical/financial grounds it makes no sense.

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Thisisnotausername · 20/04/2016 21:01

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Cerseirys · 20/04/2016 21:01

This is just a GF post isn't it?

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BarbarianMum · 20/04/2016 21:06


And that's the rub, isn't it. Think of Derek Bentley. Experience tells us that the less white and well off you are the less doubt there seems to be. It's not like British history isn't littered with miscarriages of justice.
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Bellyrub1980 · 20/04/2016 21:10

A yearly purge will sort everything out, like that film (but less shit and more useful).

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Cerseirys · 20/04/2016 21:10

Three words: Edward Earl Johnson. Watch the documentary about him and then tell me you still support the death penalty.

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treaclesoda · 20/04/2016 21:11

I don't support the death penalty in any cicumstance. Not because I love murderers and rapists and think they should have a wonderful quality of life, but simply because I don't think the state should have the right to say who lives and who dies.

I also realise that murderers may well have family who love them, regardless of how awful a crime they have carried out. I don't believe that it is for the greater good of society to deprive those people of their family member when they had no control over the person's actions. I suppose in that sense, I don't really feel any sympathy for the criminal but I do feel some sympathy for their relatives?

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Terramirabilis · 20/04/2016 21:11

I live in the US and part of my job is campaigning for an end to the death penalty.

There are so many reasons why going back to the death penalty would be a mistake in Britain:

-innocence. Here in the US there are now more than 150 people who've been freed from death row because they have now been proven not to have committed the crime which the court was so sure they had

-cost. Death eligible trials would be very expensive on both the prosecution and defence sides and death sentences would mean years of costly appeals. Life without parole is actually cheaper, contrary to many people's assumptions. In a modern society, you could not cut the appeals and thoroughness of the trial as you once could because the human rights-based challenges to that would be huge.

-arbitrariness. The death penalty is absolutely not given to only the worst of the worst by some sort of "scientific" determination of who the worst criminals are. In fact race/national origin of defendant and victim, location and other extraneous factors are likely to play a part in sentencing decisions

-harm to victims' families. Prosecutors here may try to persuade victims' families that the death of the defendant will bring "closure". It's a mirage. Sadly - and I know many murder victims' family members - the only answer is time and reconciliation. Life is always going to be different after you lose a loved one and another person's death really really won't make it better. There are so many stories of families who thought it would all go away once the defendant died. It didn't. Also, families have to relive the nightmare every time a court hearing happens for an appeal. There's no chance to move on

-there's evidence juries won't convict despite a belief a defendant is guilty because they don't want him (it nearly always is him) to be killed

-the deterrent effect of the death penalty is highly questionable. Lots of evidence that people underestimate their chances of getting caught or don't care in the first place (mentally ill, intellectually disabled, blind rage, substance abuse and addiction)

Another philosophical point: if death is the right punishment for murder, presumably you also think rapists should be raped? And if not, why not? And who will carry it out and what will that do to them?

The death penalty is barbaric. Someone who works with death row prisoners and acts as their spiritual advisor said to me, "I know as soon as someone tells me they support the death penalty they know absolutely nothing about it. Because you only have to look into it for 2 minutes to learn enough to convince you what a terrible idea it is."

I could go on for hours!

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CaptainCrunch · 20/04/2016 21:19

I really appreciate that post Terra and could happily read you for hours.

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Sunnybitch · 20/04/2016 21:19

Oh god could you imagine that belly Shock

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queenofthepirates · 20/04/2016 21:20

Quite simply put, if as a state, we sanction murder as a punishment for murder, it makes us as culpable as the perpetrator.

You muppet

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Bellyrub1980 · 20/04/2016 21:23

Yeah, in a way I could sunny but only because I've seen that truly terrible film!!

My involvement would depend entirely on how hangry I happen to be on that day.

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corythatwas · 20/04/2016 21:27

Brilliant post, Terra.

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Tabsicle · 20/04/2016 21:44

I remember reading an interesting article about the death penalty in Louisiana where both child abusers and rapists can be executed. There's a lot of evidence that this has actually made victims less willing to report, especially in cases of child abuse where a child may well know their abuser, because they are scared that they would be responsible for someone else dying. Again, children can find it quite easy to get emotionally muddled about abuse and their feelings about abuse and bringing even the possibility of the death penalty into the equation can make it worse.

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Sunnybitch · 20/04/2016 21:46

Grin belly

Have you seen the second one?

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wasonthelist · 20/04/2016 21:49

YABU If Murder is wrong (and it is) why would it be OK for the state to do it?

NB that doesn't stop me having murderous feelings - I could cheerfully pull the lever on that bloke who lured the two police officers to a house and then killed them both - I can't see any point in him at all - but thankfully we're a bit more civilised as a society.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19635239

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Dawndonnaagain · 20/04/2016 21:54

Birmingham. Guildford.
No. No, and No.
Never.

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pearlylum · 20/04/2016 22:01

For those that are citing miscarriages of justice as a reason for not supporting the death penalty- is that your only reason.

If it could be guaranteed 100% that someone had murdered (and this is purely hypothetical) would you then agree with capital punishment?

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sassymuffin · 20/04/2016 22:01

YABU for the many reasons posted above.

I have no doubt that if someone hurt my children I would feel differently though.

I am sure I watched a documentary on historic corporal punishment and it said that as soon as the death penalty was removed as punishment for rape the conviction rate went up.

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scarednoob · 20/04/2016 22:23

the thought sickens me - it's barbaric for the state to put people to death.

However, if you look at how much it will cost to keep Ian Huntley or mark bridger safe during their life sentences - how many nurses' salaries or hospital beds or schools would that pay for?

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corythatwas · 20/04/2016 22:24

pearlylum Wed 20-Apr-16 22:01:28

"For those that are citing miscarriages of justice as a reason for not supporting the death penalty- is that your only reason.

If it could be guaranteed 100% that someone had murdered (and this is purely hypothetical) would you then agree with capital punishment?"

Nope, all sorts of other reasons too:

general cheapening of life in our society which I would not wish to see (this is actually my main reason)

reluctance of juries to convict at all

greater risk that criminals would commit further violent crimes to eliminate witnesses

no effect at all on psychopaths or religious/political fanatics

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scarednoob · 20/04/2016 22:25

The internet says it's over £1,000,000 a year to keep Ian Huntley safe. I wouldn't kill him. But I do think that is a massive waste of money.

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