"The Mummies on the Bus go chatter, chatter chatter" Really?

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So, I attend a regular nursery rhyme session at my local library and 'The Wheels on the Bus' now seems to comprise the above delight, together with the equally offensive "The Daddies on the bus go shush, shush, shush"

I'm really bristling at this example of everyday sexism. Yes, I am a mother, but I am also educated to Post Grad level and have a bunch of fairly heavyweight professional qualifications too. Prior to having DD, I held a senior position in a very male dominated field and really resent the implication that when a woman (who may or may not have children) speaks, it should be assumed that it is mere 'chatter'. I'm also really unhappy with the idea that a big manly man has to step in to shut up all these hysterically chattering women, otherwise where would the world be, eh?

AIBU to take this up with the library/council? I just don't want DD to face the same constant battle that I did, to be taken seriously in life just because she's a woman. I think we owe it to the next generation to challenge this trivialisation of women's opinions.

I agree baby massage should be for all- and if it was as straightforward as that,I'm hope the father concerned queried it and was let in. I just pointed out that sometimes it's not as straightforward as that-the baby yoga group I went to wouldn't have worked at all if there had been men there.

I just pointed out that sometimes it's not as straightforward as that-the baby yoga group I went to wouldn't have worked at all if there had been men there

So the men would have effectively been victim of prejudice. Just because some women chose to talk about boobs and vaginas doesnt mean men should be denied taking their babies to sodding baby massage.

What's all this about 'evidence' and 'ammunition' BR? Are you going to take everyone who doesn't agree with you to court?

My local ones says daddies say 'stop that noise!'. I must admit is does annoy me, as if Dads are distant, severe and the only ones to discipline. Appreciate it's a harmless nursery rhyme, but more upsetting is that the mums are giggling and rolling their eyes as if that's what the dads are actually doing! It seems to come from the same place as those people that say, 'is dad babysitting.' When mum goes out.
We just sing different versions at home, usually mummy 'reads a book' and daddy chatters!

"What's all this about 'evidence' and 'ammunition' BR? Are you going to take everyone who doesn't agree with you to court? confused"

Who said anything about court? It's straight against the wall......

I'm just amused by the names I recognize from previous threads saying they are too intimidated to post on feminist boards because feminists are so dismissive and patronizing and rude and aggressive and clique-y really enjoying putting the boot in on this one!

Nobody is 'putting the boot in'.

TBF this thread is very amusing though.

I agree with you, OP. I led song time for awhile and I changed it. Parents go shh shh shh (to crying baby). People go chatter chatter chatter. There were no complaints.

"So the men would have effectively been victim of prejudice. Just because some women chose to talk about boobs and vaginas doesnt mean men should be denied taking their babies to sodding baby massage"

As I said. All depends on the way the group is set up and what people agreed. straight baby massage- then of course men should come. Baby massage + some sort of support group for mothers of tiny babies- perhaps not. But please note the "all depends" and "agree"and "perhaps"

Using words like 'evidence' and 'ammunition' isn't going to get anyone unhiding FWR topic any time soon.

"Ah well, post on a feminist thread and you get ridiculed and mocked. Try and point out a kids song is not sexist on this thread makes us like all the horrors taking the piss on 'feminist' threads. Obviously grin"

Expressing your opinion- fine. But I have never seen a collection of insults and mockery on any feminist thread like this.

And it's fascinating that people are managing t be so very robust (and nothing wrong with that) on this thread, but if anybody questions them,now ever mildly,non the feminist boards they cry foul........

So Bert you would be okay with men denying women entrance to a baby massage group?

The OP seems like more of a stealth boast about how educated you are rather than a legit complaint. Just my opinion.

But baby massage is baby massage. A group where you learn to massage your baby. If you need a space for women it that's fine, but if you exclude men from baby massage (and similar) it means that some families might miss out on it. If it's not purely a baby massage group it should be advertised as such.

I always saw it as a story. The babies go "wah', so the daddies on the bus sush the babies.

belgina that's what I had always thought as well. Never occurred to me that it might directed toward the chatting mummies. 30 yrs old and only just finding out that the wheels on the bus is a feminist issue. You learn something new everyday!

"So Bert you would be okay with men denying women entrance to a baby massage group?"

Not if 'twas just baby massage, no. As I have said several times. But we don't know how the group was advertised. I would be amazed if anyone turned a father away from a simple.baby massage group, if only because the publicity would be horrendous. And I would have no problem at all with a men!s baby massage group if men wanted to talk about the experience of fatherhood without women present.

But never I think my societal gender role is about right. And me and my friends definitely matter and chatter more than my dp and male friends... I don't see why it's a problem? I understand if you don't feel your gender is you then you get into the trams debate but for me and pretty much everyone I know the gender roles are fine and fit and I'm perfectly happy so why can't that be ok for those that find it ok and those that don't can identify as/with something else?? This is what I don't get I want equality in the broad sense of course for all but that to me does not amount to taking my identity away which is partly my gender that I do strongly identify with ..

The mummies on MN go squabble squabble squabble, all day long, and night time

The daddies on MN get shot down quick, if they dare to have an opinion

just done in jest no response nessesary

I hate The Wheels on the Bus with a passion, not sure why, just loathe it.

Think at the play group I briefly frequented they too sang about the children going chatter chatter chatter, babies going waah waah waah and mummies going shh shh shh. They had a CD of nursery songs, always on too loud, and such a twee and folksy arrangement. Eldest DS hated the singalong session at the end of playgroup, wise kid used to try to make a break for it. If we attempted to make him stay, he would howl and cry.

How about a flat.

for sparkling