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To cancel my wedding because of my future in laws?

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MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 09:17

This is my first AIBU so please be gentle!

My fiancé and are I due to be married this summer. Venue is paid for and everything is booked. My partners family have thrown a few spanner in the works already. My future brother in law, let's call him Adam was upset he didn't get to pick his own best man suit and called up my DP saying it was a waste of his time going for a fitting as he "didn't have any say in the clothes" We found out through Adam that future father in law was unhappy because he wasn't wearing the same suit as his sons and in his words "he would look a spare prick at the top table" but we resolved that only because the man at the suit hire said that the father of the groom should not be identical as he didn't want them all to look as if they were in a marching band and most importantly the groom should stand out. My future mother in law won't tell anyone what colour she is wearing. I had to ask because my mum is getting a corsage and the florist said it should match the colour of her outfit. But my Dps mum won't tell me the colour. But she is miffed that then she may not have a corsage that matches. I don't know why she won't tell us, she says it's a surprise for the day of the wedding. I only mention this to avoid drip feeding!

So that was a few weeks ago. The maximum numbers we have for the wedding is eighty but our numbers are nowhere near that high. We only have 20 people we want there in total. We don't want a big wedding. We have sent out save the date cards. We had to contact father in law to be about getting addresses for some of the family on my DPs side. Dps dad asked for a copy of the guest list, without thinking I gave him it, we got the addresses, save the dates went out. Last night DPs Dad texts him and says he has booked hotel rooms for his cousin (so my DPs second cousin) and father in laws best man. Not my DPs best man, his dad's best man from his wedding 40 years ago who to our knowledge he doesn't see much of.

I realised right away that they weren't invited, checked the list and DP called and spoke to his Dad. We haven't invited these people. We have never met father in laws best man and in the eight years DP and I have been together, he's seen his dad's cousin twice. Both at funerals. There is no contact in between.

DPs dad started to get very upset on the phone, saying the hotel was booked already. DP hates confrontation and hates upsetting people but to give him his due he told his Dad that we hadn't invited these people, two of them we have never met and the other we see rarely. Our decision not to invite his fathers cousin is simply we don't want a big wedding with all the extended family there. None of my aunts and uncles will coming and certainly none of my parents cousins are coming. We want a small wedding.

So father in law to be puts DPs mum on the phone, the whole conversation is then repeated. She says his dad is devastated not to have the whole family there, they just assumed his dad's cousin would get an invite automatically as a second cousin is "immediate family" So even though none of these people had a save the date, DPs parents took it upon themselves to invite them and book them all hotel rooms. His Mum said we would have to do something about it and we then have to call them back. I don't feel we should have to fix this ? We haven't invited any of these people and it's not our fault they booked hotels without asking us if they could come?

So anyhow DPs mum starts to get upset and then she puts Dps brother on. Again we have to go through the whole thing again, dos brother lays on the guilt saying his parents are in tears, we should invite the whole family as they are never altogether and it isn't fair. He also said that Dps Dad will not come to the wedding if father in laws cousin can't be there. He also said we could add on these people as extras and they will pay. They are quite annoyed we have said no and have said its a matter of principal, it's our wedding day we decide who gets an invite, it's not for DP's family to turn it into a big family affair without asking and it's not what we want.

DPs brother *Adam messaged me this morning saying that four guests from their side won't be coming can we please Invite father in laws best man and his cousin? They just want to have the family there as the all the family only meet for sad times and they just want a happy family event. Why can't they just accept no means no?

It upsets DP and I that they are trying to turn our wedding day into a big family affair. I guess we are also a bit baffled because we hardly see DPs family. We seen them twice last year. They stay a 45 minute car journey away and they all drive but they just aren't interested in DP. We invite them round, we get told no. When we moved house and needed help with the move and for some things after, we asked for help and got told no.
Dps parents are retired and very wealthy. If they want big family get togethers they could have one any time, but they don't see much of the extended family either. It just feels like they want to use our wedding to have a big reunion (which is fine if that's what we wanted) and they seem intent in making it about them. It actually feels like they want to pretend at this wedding that we are all really close when the reality is completely different. We haven't seen DPs parents since Christmas!

So now I'm ready to throw the towel in. That how upset I feel about it. The day doesn't feel about us, it feels about DPs parents and their wishes. We would lose a lot of money to cancel and elope but I'm starting to think it will be worth it.

Adam is really pushing us (no doubt on his parents orders) to invite the best man and second cousin. We just don't want to and I fear that by giving in on this occasion there will be something else down the road I.e they aren't happy the relatives are only getting evening invites, Adam isn't happy his girlfriend of a month isn't on top table. I just don't want any more of this hassle. I just want to get married and Dp and I have those we want there to celebrate it with us. Is that unreasonable?

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KinkyAfro · 19/04/2016 13:06

Can't believe the people saying op is controlling, it's her (and her DPs) fucking wedding day ffs. They can do whatever THEY want, not whatever everyone else wants. I'm fucking angry on OP's behalf and I think she's been remarkable restrained

BeaArthursUnderpants · 19/04/2016 13:06

I know the wedding feels important now OP, and it is, but I think the far bigger question is how you and your fiancé are handling this as a couple. Your in-laws have made it clear that they are going to be difficult. That won't change after the wedding, and in fact the stakes only get higher as you face things like having children, buying a home, financial planning, various family members aging/dying, etc. It's not all fun but it's real life and your marriage needs to be strong to handle it well.

The first question is whether your fiancé truly feels the same way as you do about the wedding issues. He should want to make you happy of course, but that goes both ways. If he kind of wants distant cousin Ralph to come to the wedding but is keeping quiet for fear of your reaction, that's a problem. From your posts it kind of sounds like you may not be open to much compromising. For example you flat-out refused to let your BIL help choose his suit, and then all of a sudden changed your mind just because the wedding hire shop man said it was OK. I know it's hard to tell from a few paragraphs so I could be misinterpreting, but just think about it. Principle is important, but picking your battles carefully is even more important.

Assuming you and your DF are in agreement about the wedding stuff, the bigger question is do you agree on how to handle his family? Is he presenting the two of you as a united front and expressing your wishes firmly and clearly to each member of his family, regardless of the guilt or drama that may ensue? Or is he agreeing with you in private but asking you to compromise just to avoid conflict? Is he letting you be the "bad guy"? How important is it to him ultimately to keep the peace with his family? With you? In terms of the future, do you both have the same expectations for how much contact you will have with both families, especially if you plan on having children? How will you handle the caring responsibilities that often arise as parents age? You mentioned that hour DF's family is wealthy -- do you both agree on exactly what you are and aren't willing to accept or ask for from them financially and if they do give you financial help, how much control does that give them? How much involvement do you each expect your DF's brother to have in your life?

The way everyone including you, and your DF is behaving about your wedding is a big clue about how they will behave in the future, so if you are anything less than 100% comfortable with how it's going down between you and your DF, now is the time to hash it out. A little pre-marital counseling now could save you a whole lot of heartache later. Because it really doesn't matter who wears what to the wedding or even who comes. What matters is that you and your future husband find a way to support each other through the wedding problems and all of the other things that come in the future. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Goingtobeawesome · 19/04/2016 13:09

I remember readin posts in here where people have said they were obliged to have so and so at their wedding and now they never see them. Brother's girlfriend at the top table and next to the bride in photos, etc and now they feel they wish they'd said no.

WonderingAspie · 19/04/2016 13:09

Would giving an ultimatum work? Like a pp said, I was going to say "if you don't shut about our wedding then you aren't invited anyway because we are fed up of this crap overshadowing our wedding day."

If you elope and still invite parents, you are going to have the exact issue with Adam and his GF unfortunately.

Twinkie1 · 19/04/2016 13:11

Just tell them it's cancelled and you'll have s private ceremony at s later date. (But don't cancel yet)

Don't elaborate or lay blame just leave them to think about their actions and see if the back track. It's easier than turning it into a big blame game (although they are obviously to blame).

Good luck.

Good luck

babba2014 · 19/04/2016 13:11

Don't cancel. Your side will miss out and if they have been happy for you then it is sad they wouldn't be part of it.

Be firm. If you are going to spend the rest of your life with him then your boundaries with his family need to be set now. Just say it is not up for discussion and no they are not invited. After all, they're not invited on your side either. And your OH can tell them, you don't need to. Then don't talk about it again. If they don't want to come after that then so be it.

MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 13:15

Regarding wedding outfits: I don't care what they wear! It was on the advice of the guy in the suit shop who said father of groom is not identical, we went with that. Father in law never told us and to this day he hasn't he was unhappy. He now has how own suit.

As for Mother in law. I don't care! I mentioned it at the start of the thread so as not to be accused of drip feeding. I have a flower girl who's dress I haven't seen, ditto the page boy. That should tell you I'm not that fussed about clothes!

When it came to invites we told Dps parents who was coming and they said that was fine. No mention of their best man or anyone. We didn't ask if they wanted to invite anyone because it's our occasion and as it's not a big do we are keeping it to close family and one or two friends.

If we phone the venue, we will lose the money for venue and deposits for reception entertainment.

I love the idea of telling parents to meet us, but my parents wouldn't come, they don't like DPs parents when they met them when we moved as DPs parents did nothing. Turned up took a photo and went home, we next saw DPs parents 9 months later. And they know about this mess so that doesn't help things.

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RaisingSteam · 19/04/2016 13:16

Just a word of warning, my BIL and SIL had a secret wedding and its fair to say it did NOT improve their relationship with PILS.

Haven't RTFT but now is the time to cheerfully but assertively set out some boundaries. If they are difficult characters then start as you mean to go on, which is hopefully at least tolerance in future. You and your DP need absolutely united front although appreciate his position is difficult.

MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 13:27

KinkyAfro thank you.

BIl chose the style of the suit, I.e tails that was his idea and we went with it. The guy in the shop said X colour for groom and X colour for best man, they were both there and he just nodded.

DP doesn't want a lot of people there. He doesn't want his parents and brother throwing their weight around -his words- he says its up to us not them.
We are united with this and we both feel the same way about our wedding, that this is turning into something we did not want.

I think I said but DP is very laid back, avoids conflict and wouldn't say boo to a goose, that being said she we realised what happened last night he picked the phone up and said to his parents this is not right, you cannot just over rule us. It's our day. He had to repeat it about ten times!

His parents don't have a lot of contact, last time was Christmas for his parents. I expect the next will be the wedding,we invite them over and we get told no, we don't get invites there, Dp tries to keep in contact but mostly they aren't interested. He's not perfect but I've seen him invite his parents over time and time again and they just aren't interested. I don't sadly see it changing after the wedding.

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ceebie · 19/04/2016 13:29

I would be really hurt if I wasn't invited to one of my siblings' weddings. That's just me though. Are you sure your siblings would be ok if you decided not to invite them?

redcaryellowcar · 19/04/2016 13:31

I would cancel the wedding and ltb (well maybe b is a bit strong) you really don't want to live with this manipulative behaviour forever more, do you!?

MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 13:34

That's a good question ceebie and it's a fair one. My sister and I aren't close. We are civil in that way you are when you see each other at family events but I wouldn't say we are even friends. She eloped and I was quite happy not to go as I can't stand her husband.

That does need thinking about it.

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tootyflooty · 19/04/2016 13:36

they are bvvur, however, looking back 30 years to my wedding, I feel awful that I didn't ask my inlaws, or my own parents if they had anyone special they would like included, it just didn't occur to me that they might have liked some close friends to share the day. I only say that now, as I have some very long standing friends, who I would be so happy to share such a happy event with when my own Dc get married, at my own cost I might add, however no one asked me at the time, and I like to think if they had I would have been sensitive to the request, That said, there is a way of asking without making you feel so awful, regardless of whether you said yes or no, and to go steaming ahead and inviting them and booking hotel rooms is way out of line. Based on their behaviour I would tell them where to go, but looking at the bigger picture you could say yes, but on the proviso that your inlaws stump up for the cost, whilst also telling them in no uncertain terms that they have behaved appallingly .Don't let it ruin the prep for your wedding x

MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 13:37

I do think if we do this we elope, let his parents know but too much time so they can kick off for that as well and then let them have their party on another day at another time. But I expect if they have to pay for that party since it's all their guests it won't happen.

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spankhurst · 19/04/2016 13:37

We had a very small wedding, too. I think it's outrageous they aren't respecting your wishes. You don't turn someone else's wedding into an opportunistic get-together. Stand firm.

Oldraver · 19/04/2016 13:39

I found out a week before my wedding that my SIL had invited her Dad, some other relatives and her best friend, DH hand their 4 kids. My Mum went apeshit as she was doing the catering for the food, my STBDH and his family were too wussy to say anything to SIL. So it was left to me to tell SIL. To top it all most of DH's family wouldn't formally RSVP, as "we should know they were coming" which stressed my Mum out even more. So I was piggy in the middle getting earache from both sides when I should of been looking forward to my wedding

I also wanted a small family and a couple of family friends wedding...I didn't invite any workmates and they wouldn't believe we wern't having and evening do, so quite a few were huffy in the run up to the wedding. When we got the photos back we noticed they were several people I didn't recognise...one of the being DH's nieces friend....I was seething as I took a lot of stick for not inviting my friends. I hadn't actually noticed them on the day.

OP I would send the email suggested explaining this is what we want and anymore pressure you will cancel

Lazyafternoon · 19/04/2016 13:39

Hold your ground! I'd even say don't cancel it and elope if that's not what you really want to do. Want them to back off.

If they persist then I'd say try and sit down with all the trouble makers (maybe a meal out or something on neutral ground) and tell them how they are making you feel and really upset. Tell them that you've asked them all to get together because you are seriously considering cancelling the wedding because of their actions. It's your day not theirs. If they kick off and say you are being unreasonable then go ahead and cancel and tell them that it's only down to them telling you what to do that it's not what you want so not doing it.

God there's nothing like a wedding to get everyone all hot and bothered and feel entitled to an invite!

redexpat · 19/04/2016 13:41

I would tell them that the guest list is final, not up for discussion and if they don't like it then they dont have to come. Why should you change your plans because of their fuckwittery?

redexpat · 19/04/2016 13:42

Or elope beforehand, so when everyone gets to the wedding on the big day, it's just the party.

CodyKing · 19/04/2016 13:42

Can you re arrange to a different venue - and invite those you want for dinner? Get married before the meal?

But .... Not tell them it's a wedding until the day before?

No time for them to argue etc!!

They can then come or not!!

NoSquirrels · 19/04/2016 13:44

Just elope, OP.

Pick a weekday when BIL is working. Would your DPs and ILs be free - are they retired or still working? Call them up in the morning, tell them you'll be getting hitched at X o'clock that morning (give them an hour or so to get ready), a taxi will be with them to pick them up and it will be lovely to see them.

Tell your DPs what's happening so they're prepared, but keep the element of surprise for ILs.

I would hate to get married without my siblings there, but it is perfect reasonable to elope if you and DP think that's the best thing to do. Some people would be upset with you for a while, but it would be their choice whether to get over it or not!

Frostie909 · 19/04/2016 13:49

ELOPE. And if you don't, you have all my empathy. Sending positive thoughts your way. Weddings are so difficult when selfish people but their egos before the bride and groom.

Kr1stina · 19/04/2016 13:50

Your PIL don't want to see all these relatives, otherwise they would. As you say they have the time and money .

It's not about family and friends to them. It's about power and control. They want to be in charge of everything and you ( quite reasonably ) won't let them.

MIL dress and the corsage is a good example. It would cost her nothing to say " my outfit is royal blue " . But she wants it to be a secret / suprise because the BRIDES dress is usually a Suprise.

They don't want to see FIl best man. They want to be the hosts who choose the guest list .

It doesn't matter where you compromise, they will push you further. If you add the 4 extra guests, it will be something else .

They just want control. If you don't stop this now, they will control your marriage and your kids.

Put your foot down now . Whether that's saying no two extra guess, eloping or having a different wedding, that's up to you.

It won't be fun and there will be collateral damage. But if you want your marriage to succeed ( as opposed to having a nice wedding day ) you will have to stand up to them or get them out your life .

MatildaTheCat · 19/04/2016 13:51

Before you cancel can I suggest that you firstly let the dust settle a little and secondly go to see them to discuss this face to face?

Once there you say calmly that you are both, indeed all, upset about these disagreements and you need to resolve them because otherwise you will be changing your plans. Be absolutely clear that you want a small wedding and no, fil's former best man isn't on your list. Keep reiterating that you won't be changing on this.

However, there could possibly be room for some compromise? Could you go through corsage options, discuss readings or whatever so they are actively involved in some details. Remark that a big family gathering might be fun at some stage in the future and do they have a big wedding anniversary coming up?

They sound as awkward as hell but they are your future in laws and you have to both learn to deal with them. Also, even though you are upset right now you may really regret not following your dream and losing all that money.

MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 13:55

NoSquirrels I like that idea in fact I love it, but I think they won't come. But then apparently they aren't coming now because their best man isn't, they won't come if we don't invite brother in law if we elope so with them there is no answer.

My sister will understand as long as there is no siblings. But if BIl turned up there would be hell, my mum has already said its either all or nothing. She would say something if he turns up!

I like the idea though of sticking to a weekday and sending them a taxi, it would cost a bomb but at least we can say the offer was there. shame we would have BIl on the phone the day after giving us grief we were underhand and sneaky not telling them till the last minute

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