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To think most people don't believe their diet will have an impact on their health

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Notcontent · 16/04/2016 22:39

This is just something I have been thinking about recently. There has been so much in the news about the damage sugar is doing to us, the number of people with type 2 diabetes is rising at a huge rate, more and more kids are becoming fat and having their teeth pulled out, etc.

And yet - I get the feeling most people think it's "nanny state rubbish". On mumsnet threads people always say "children need treats". I was talking to a work colleague about sugary drinks and her view was that water is too boring so she was quite happy for her kids to have juice and cordial with every meal and snack.

I am not sure what the solution is - maybe proper food and health education at schools.

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ArgyMargy · 16/04/2016 23:16

Babyganoush the thing that distinguishes us from most animals is our brain. Using this, we can make a sound judgement about the undesirability of constantly giving in to an urge to eat. Well, some of us can.

WorraLiberty · 16/04/2016 23:19

There is a link between poverty and poor diets, but that doesn't mean healthy choices are always more expensive.

It also doesn't mean poorer people lack the skills to learn to shop and cook differently. Thanks to the internet, the information/basic cook tutorials are now at our fingertips.

But I think the OP has a point, in that many adults are hiding their heads in the sand, wrt the damage a poor diet can do to both themselves and their kids.

WorraLiberty · 16/04/2016 23:20

*cooking tutorials

Notcontent · 16/04/2016 23:20

BillSykes - really? I don't think it's about living to 90 unfortunately. I think what it's about is people getting diabetes and related health problems at 40.

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Lightbulbon · 16/04/2016 23:25

We are programmed to fatten up in times of plenty to see us through times of famine.

Our bodies haven't adjusted to rich western society where there is always plenty.

HelenaDove · 16/04/2016 23:25

Cooking tutorials are a good idea...............as long as people have cookers and functioning kitchens.

Young ppl coming out of care are having problems even being housed let alone accessing proper cooking facilities.

WorraLiberty · 16/04/2016 23:28

Yes Helena that's a good point.

However, it doesn't account for 64% of adults being overweight or obese.

HelenaDove · 16/04/2016 23:30

Well ive obviously got it the wrong way round myself then Smile

ephemeralfairy · 16/04/2016 23:33

There is a link between poverty and poor diets, but that doesn't mean healthy choices are always more expensive

I agree, but I question whether younger people are being properly equipped with the information and skills to make these choices. I am no longer in the springtime of my youth, but my 'food tech' GCSE did not involve any cooking, or information about nutrition, or how a poor diet can contribute to health problems, or about budgeting or meal planning. Instead we had to design and market a pre-packed salad and for the exam we were asked questions about the correct temperature for different chiller cabinets in supermarkets. It may be different now, I don't know; but somehow I doubt it.
Of course it's not all to do with money; I know lots of well-off people who live on takeaways and M&S ready meals and think nothing of it. It's a weird, complex issue and I genuinely don't know what the answer is.

GreaseIsNotTheWord · 16/04/2016 23:33

It's cheaper and easier to fill up on starchy carbs and cheap processed meat than on lean protein and veg

I disagree. Veg is pennies in places like Lidl. I'm constantly astounded by the bags of fruit and veg I get for next to nothing (after previously shopping in Tesco). We eat a lot of salad here - nothing fancy but generally carrots, peppers, cucumber, celery, lettuce and tomatoes. Dh, me and the 2 dc eat salad 6/7 days for lunch. I reckon I spend about 9 quid a week on it and that's a total of 24 meals. Add an extra fiver for the protein - eggs or tuna or chicken. 24 meals for £14.

One thing that always astounds me is that people quote 'ease' as a reason for eating shite. I fucking hate doing fish fingers or burgers or chips (which we do have sometimes) - but all those greasy, minging oven trays to wash. I genuinely find bunging a broccoli in the steamer and cooking pork loins on a griddle pan much easier.

WorraLiberty · 16/04/2016 23:45

ephemeralfairy, as I said, the internet means that all the information/hints/tips and tutorials are there at our fingertips.

But I think the OP has a point regarding people hiding their heads in the sand. Particularly parents.

But if 64% of adults are struggling to get their own weight under control, it must be very difficult to lead by example when it comes to their children.

ephemeralfairy · 17/04/2016 00:02

Well, yes. But there are still people who don't have necessarily have easy access to the internet. I know it doesn't seem like it but there are. I used to meet them every day my old job. The PP who gave the example of care-leavers, for example. (And free access is dwindling as public libraries close don't even get me started)

And what if you don't have a Lidl within easy reach, and you don't drive? I don't.

Having said all that I KNOW a lot of people eat a lot of shit, and I TOTALLY agree that people stick their heads in the sand about the issue. (DP and his whole family for example!!) It's a ticking time-bomb in terms of diabetes and heart disease and other obesity-related conditions. A whole generation are growing up not knowing how to cook, for lots of very complex reasons.

But I don't know what the answer is.

CalleighDoodle · 17/04/2016 00:49

My mum repeatedly says prisoners get bread and water when i give my children a sandwich and a glSs of water.!

MadameDePompom · 17/04/2016 00:54

On mumsnet threads people always say "children need treats".

Do they? I've never notice this.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 17/04/2016 01:05

Maybe not treats but yes, they say children need snacks

snacks

Not really necessary

GarlicShake · 17/04/2016 02:05

Gah ... Every so often, I reach saturation point with "Healthy diet just as cheap" threads. I try not to post, but here I am Blush

I know loads about nutrition, and cooking. I know more about healthy eating than most nutritionists. I was raised by a healthy eating bore. For decades, my food intake was exemplary. Now I am [a] disabled and [b] poor.

Doctors & advisors still find my intake very good. But it isn't, it's adequate. The amount of carbs I shove in my face has exploded. (The amount, not my face!) It is much, much easier to feel satisfied with a ton of carbs. And it's much cheaper.

I can't cook as I used to because of disability. But a parent working inconvenient hours would have equivalent problems. Another reason I can't cook as I used to is that straightforward cuts and fresh veg are too expensive - this also applies to anyone making a budget stretch.

There's a world of difference between making ten different things out of mince for a fortnight, or as a challenge, and eating things made out of mince forever (same if your 'mince' is lentils & beans, btw.) Mince that has 5% fat costs nearly three times as much as 20%. I never have interesting veg these days, and very rarely buy ones that need much preparation - because of time and not being able to afford waste. When I'm hungry, I eat bread and butter/jam. A loaf of bread used to last me a week, now it's two days (and sometimes one.) Cakes have become a regular feature - whether I make them or snarf a £1 bag of mini doughnuts, it's the same: instant satisfaction at minimal cost. It's comforting. My body told my brain, "Get food!" and, fancy that, I didn't happen to have a bunch of highly perishable, expensively healthy items lying around. You have to eat a fuckload of apples or carrots to satisfy hunger. A wrap of chips, on the other hand, will keep you feeling fed for hours.

Experience tells me people will come along to tell me why I'm wrong and what I should be doing. I would gently suggest that perhaps they aren't both time-poor and money-poor; basically don't have a clue.

I agree it's a crime that so many people really don't understand food or know how to cook. But criticising them doesn't help anything; neither does utterly impracticable advice from the well-meaning.

There are a million households relying on food banks. Food banks prioritise high-carb items, in case you didn't know, because we now have folks who are starving. And every body needs calories before worrying about what those calories are made of. There are very many people on tiny budgets who can't access a budget supermarket and have to buy food at expensive corner shops. There are loads with dreadful cooking facilities, and who have to wrangle their kids & shopping up flights of stairs. It's really not surprising that evaluating the nutritional value of everything comes pretty low down the list of priorities.

MoonriseKingdom · 17/04/2016 02:06

I think some children do need snacks but they don't have to be unhealthy. My 19 mth old is petite and when awake is in constant motion. She is currently in a phase of refusing her pushchair and will walk a surprisingly long way. Sticking to 3 meals a day is just too long between meals for her (she gets very cranky if she does that). However, she drinks one cup of milk and the rest of the day only water. The snacks are all healthy.

oldlaundbooth · 17/04/2016 02:07

I do think that the UK in particular has an odd relationship with food (not just in terms of eating rubbish).

Carbs are included in every meal. Lasagne and chips, I mean WTAF? Steak and salad? Nope, gotta have chips or mash with it too.

A lot of the food we eat is food what manual labourers would have eaten - pie, chips and peas - but we are not labouring. We are uploading documents sat on our arses. But we are eating the same calorie dense food and simply not burning it off.

And the clear your plate thing is unbelievable. As are portion sizes.

Also, people don't have time to cook. Bung a pizza in the oven and give the kids a donut for dessert? Cheap and quick. We are simply not at home to cook a proper meal.

People ow it's bad for you. Lentils and spina is better. But at the end of the day convenience food tastes good (because of all the sugar) and is cheap.

The health problems are only just beginning though - diabetes, obesity, fertility problems etc etc.

oldlaundbooth · 17/04/2016 02:09

Lentils and spinach, obviously.

lalalalyra · 17/04/2016 02:13

I genuinely believe a lot of the health/food issues we have now is down to time.

When my Nana was young her mother didn't have a full time job out of the home when the children were little. Even when she was taking in washing or whatever she had several hours a day to have food on. The children walked themselves home from school at the end of the road and her father worked a walk or short bus ride away. By 6pm the whole family was home to eat the meal her mother had made. There was no after school clubs, long commutes etc to deal with.

She cooked from scratch everyday. I look at my neighbours - 3 kids, both work full time, his commute means he doesn't get home until 7pm, she gets in at 6 having picked up the kids from childcare and there's often Brownies, football training or swimming lessons to fit in. I think they are fairly typical (didn't use us as I'm sahm and DH works away so we're not typical round here) and when you are juggling all that is it surprising that people eat more processed food that is often quicker to make?

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 17/04/2016 02:16

What do you call healthy snacks though??

And people can't do any activity these days without sugar laden food/drink......cinema/theatre/bowling/.... All require eating.

ephemeralfairy · 17/04/2016 02:24

GarlicShake I love you. Great post.

HelenaDove · 17/04/2016 02:28

lala la i posted on the overweight kids thread about how primary school kids have lots of homework now and they didnt used to and got my arse handed to me on a plate by certain posters. The same posters who bemoan how things have changed over the decades refused to accept this.

Im in my early 40s and was infant/primary age in the late 70s/early 80s and we had no homework at all.

Obvs doing homework involves being more sedentary.

I used to be obese and have lost ten stone but its left its mark. i get very paranoid on the rare occasion that i do have the odd treat like birthdays and anniversary and Xmas and recently have actually stood in front of the mirror to check i havent ballooned. Which is fucking stupid and pure paranoia One food item once in a blue moon is not going to do that.

i call it The Fear. And i see it in others who have lost weight too. The same paranoia.

MadameDePompom · 17/04/2016 02:29

Hmm, let's see. An apple could be called a healthy snack.

Honestly, if you can't even think of what might constitute a healthy snack you might want to brush up on your nutritional knowledge.

HelenaDove · 17/04/2016 02:38

YY Garlic. Thanks

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