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To wonder why nursery needs to see ds's red book?

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Wanderingwondering · 14/04/2016 18:03

Message from nursery today that according to ofsted guidelines they NEED to see he children's red books.
This is apparently so they can 'ensure your child's needs are fully met and to ensure that your child has the best possible chance of meeting their full potential'

I've got nothing to hide but there is quite a lot of my personal information in there-breastfeeding issues etc and I'm not sure I want to share that level of information!

Has anyone else had this request?

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MrsDeVere · 14/04/2016 20:47

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StealthPolarBear · 14/04/2016 20:47

Tearowel it should not be an integrated health and education review.

BillBrysonsBeard · 14/04/2016 20:54

I hope this won't be standard as I didn't get one for DS!

StealthPolarBear · 14/04/2016 20:58

You should definitely be offered one

Youarentkiddingme · 14/04/2016 21:00

Well my ds doesn't have one! He was born abroad and returned to uk at 2.
Actually he does have one but it has no info in it really! Height and weight at 2yo!

BillBrysonsBeard · 14/04/2016 21:17

My DS was born abroad too so that's why, but I wanted one so asked HV and doctors and they said they don't give them after the birth! They said it's no big deal anyway, so I just have a little book of my own with his immunisations in.

flirtygirl · 14/04/2016 21:18

If its to stop children falling through the cracks then why are Gps and Hvs changing the previous policy, (not comprehensive but they saw most children).

Not all children go to nursery, its putting more work on the nursery for no good reason, probably some cut cutting scheme and more children will fall through the cracks not less.
Also just ask the parent what's the red book going to proof, even the most involved parent might have missing info in the red book anyway.

WantAnOrange · 14/04/2016 21:24

I haven't read the entire thread so apologies if I am repeating anything but they will just flip to the immunisation page, then hand it back to you. They aren't going to root through any of your notes!

missapples · 14/04/2016 21:26

Nips they don't need to see that at all. Massive breach of there position. I would Check with ofsted. Photocopy immunisation sheet if they need it.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 14/04/2016 21:28

Organisations and services should only ask for personal information they are entitled to ask for and have a legitimate reason to have its a pretty basic principle of data protection.

A red book for,s part of a medical record very few people would be entitled to request it or have a legitimate reason to have it and even fewer people can insist on having it.

They may want to have it for what ever reason but that still does not change the rules and mean they can have it.

And ive never known an early years setting even request it nor ofstead

NeedsAsockamnesty · 14/04/2016 21:29

I would be surprised if they are even fully entitled to proof of immunisations

LittleNelle · 14/04/2016 21:31

You aren't required to give them an immunisation record. They're talking bollocks about it being an Ofsted requirement.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 14/04/2016 21:38

If a EWO cannot insist on access to medical records of any nature without a court order that they are unlikely to obtain when a child has only 5% attendance due to medical reasons then it's quite a far call to think a nursery is.

teatowel · 14/04/2016 21:48

Starting this year it is supposed to be an integrated review. The first meeting for parents to take place with the nursery at aged two the second with the health visitor at 27 months.The information from the nursery is to be inserted in the red book so the health visitor has easy access. That as far as I can make out is the only reason the red book is needed by the nursery, so that they can get out the glue and stick it in for the health visitor!

hazeyjane · 14/04/2016 22:04

It is not about nursery taking over from HV, it is about working with them

So when a child starts nursery/preschool, at whatever age, they work with the parents and HV to ensure an assessment has been made - usually this will have been a 2 yr progress check, but if this has been missed for any reason then information is gathered and observations are made so that if there are any issues then they can be identified.

There is an article about it www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1567033/government-advised-to-reconsider-the-term-integrated-review

NeedsAsockamnesty · 14/04/2016 22:10

I have a 2yo and a 3 yo both had their 2 year check at nursery and I was still not asked to give them the red book, I was handed a sheet and asked to place it in there myself

Caprinihahahaha · 14/04/2016 22:24

Immunisations are not compulsory. No one is entitled to demand proof of immunisation.

lalalalyra · 14/04/2016 23:40

They didn't ask for it at DD3's 2 year check in September. No chance they'll be getting this baby's book either - there are personal details that will be in it that the nursery simply don't need to know.

They did recently ask for parents NI numbers, ID, and a utility bill, but a couple of parents challenged them and they couldn't really explain why they wanted them, what for or how they were going to keep all the information safe so it was quietly forgotten about.

They can have every detail that is pertinant about my child and my child's care, but they don't need my medical details, or a photocopy of my passport/driving license to care for her 3 mornings a week!

Lireal2013 · 15/04/2016 11:06

Would never share my LBs red book. We adopted him at 1 so a lot of the information relates to his first year in his foster family as well as information about his birth family.

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Balletgirlmum · 15/04/2016 11:30

Is asking for the parents ID because of all the rules about the right to be educated in the UK.

I only have a vague knowledge of the Tier 4 visa checks for children aged 4 & over. Are nurseries now bound to check younger children?

iMogster · 15/04/2016 11:40

You do not need to show them or give them the red book. It is not a requirement.

SoreArms · 15/04/2016 11:45

Apologies if someone had already mentioned this, but our child minder asked for the red book when DD was just over 3 - it was something to do with obtaining a pack of books linked to EYFS. We didn't ask more as I didn't actually mind the CM having it but could be why nursery asked...

Queenie73 · 15/04/2016 11:51

My youngest two don't have red books and have never seen a health visitor. If a HV wants to see/assess/tick boxes for the youngest one (he's nursery age) then she is welcome to do so, just so long as she remembers to get a court order first.
We had a very traumatic time with a spectacularly spiteful HV after my daughter died, and it's not an experience I'd care to repeat (same one still works in my area and I couldn't get her supervisor to tell me how to make a proper complaint). My children have all their vaccinations and see a doctor when (thankfully rarely) they need to. Neither of the younger two have had development checks but we have arranged referrals for speech problems (Child 3 had a neuro problem, Child 4 mostly just copied his brother and was easier to sort).

Lukesme · 15/04/2016 12:09

I would tackle them over the lie though to claim of stead need it is a load of * and these tactics are meant to pressure you into complying when really they should be reassuring you about any disclosures. My school does it all the time treating parents like kids and essentially ordering us to do their bidding. I paid for nurses before 3 years so it's bugger all to do with the system .
I am a nurse and a teacher and always play by the rules but since having kids I can't believe how much beurocracy and control exists it's like we have little say.