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AIBU?

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Original poster

To wonder why nursery needs to see ds's red book?

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Wanderingwondering · 14/04/2016 18:03

Message from nursery today that according to ofsted guidelines they NEED to see he children's red books.
This is apparently so they can 'ensure your child's needs are fully met and to ensure that your child has the best possible chance of meeting their full potential'

I've got nothing to hide but there is quite a lot of my personal information in there-breastfeeding issues etc and I'm not sure I want to share that level of information!

Has anyone else had this request?

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RomComPhooey · 14/04/2016 19:12

That should have been 10 unit per week in pregnancy^ - which is an awful lot!

livewyre · 14/04/2016 19:19

Absolutely YANBU.

If nursery want details of early life re additional needs (prem/late developer) they can do this amazing thing called 'ask the parents'.

No way would I give anyone who wasn't a medical professional looking after either me or DC a red book.

School or nursery are not medical professionals.

insancerre · 14/04/2016 19:21

To all of you worried about sharing your personal information with the nursery
Don't worry, its not as personal as all the things your children are already telling us
:)

Caprinihahahaha · 14/04/2016 19:25

They could kiss my arse tbh.
My DD was not vaccinated so their requiring proof of immunisation is an odd assumption.

MadSprocker · 14/04/2016 19:27

insancerre that totally rings true. Perhaps you should start a thread about things children have told Nursery Nurses.

Caprinihahahaha · 14/04/2016 19:28

Still, if your child does have additional needs this is good preparation for the decade ahead of relentless requests for information which you have provided 50 times before which then gets put on a file, copied to others and serves absoloutely no fucking useful purpose or makes one iota of difference to your child's life.
Hoorah.

hazeyjane · 14/04/2016 19:29

I don't know if my dcs would be telling you about my breastfeeding traumas, the huge anxiety i had after having ds, every variety of poo, reflux and colic or ds's hundreds of tests. Although actually scrap that, dd2 will describe every poo she has ever done in detail.

To acquire the information needed for the integrated review you don't need the red book do you?

teatowel · 14/04/2016 19:30

It has started this year
'When your child turns two they will be offered two different development reviews. One is carried out by the NHS, usually by a health visitor and is called the 27 month development review. The other will take place at your child's Ofsted registered childcare and is called the two year progress check.'
We have been asked to fill in a form and put into the red book. Needless to say a lot of parents are saying they have lost them!

ThatsIrrelephant · 14/04/2016 19:31

This is a punt in the dark as I can't think of another reason - but could they have seen a mark on your child and wanted to check whether it was a birthmark? Wrong way of going about it, but possible.

hazeyjane · 14/04/2016 19:33

And actually, just looking in the red books of all 3 dcs - there is no 2 year review record (dds definitely had one, ds didn't as he is disabled and every fart was being monitored by a paediatrician.

teatowel · 14/04/2016 19:33

Here
Your childcare provider will invite you to a meeting to talk through the check and to give you a written summary. You will be asked to bring your child's red book (health record) to the meeting. During the meeting your childcare provider will insert a written summary of the progress check into your child's red book so the health visitor can quickly and easily find the information.

livewyre · 14/04/2016 19:33

I would be clear I hadn't lost mine. If the HV (and only the HV) needs to see it, then I will happily make an appointment.

But the Red Book is a medical record.

I don't give my medical records in at work. And neither should a child be forced to.

hazeyjane · 14/04/2016 19:36

Yes but teatowel, that doesn't require the red book to be seen, but for the information to be kept in the red book.

teatowel · 14/04/2016 19:40

Yes that's true. . It could be just stuck in by the parent. Not sure why the guidelines say bring it to the meeting.

Glitterspy · 14/04/2016 19:55

I bet it's to check they've had all their jabs too.

It's easy to add/remove pages from the red book so why not just take out any bits that refer to pnd/ issues you'd rather not share?

LifeHuh · 14/04/2016 19:58

In my job we need to know if children were premature or had difficult births as it is relevant to what we are checking for - we ask the parents! Simples,and no red book needed.

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Wanderingwondering · 14/04/2016 20:00

I have emailed to ask what information they require and will photocopy if necessary.
Ds is 4 so long past the 2 year check although I do remember them going through his learning journal when he was 2

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BoffinMum · 14/04/2016 20:04

What if people aren't using childcare? Or have moved here from overseas?

zzzzz · 14/04/2016 20:13

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HazyMazy · 14/04/2016 20:28

In Scotland the Named Person Scheme - which every child will have to age 18, who is a HV then teacher who collates all info on the child so everything - NHS, education/ Social services will all be kept in one place. Access to it can be without the DPs knowledge or sayso if there are concerns.

It is being sold as a way to stop children falling through the net and also a single person for a DP of a disabled child to go for support.

But is imo a bit of a spying setup and will imo cause mistrust between DPs and HV/ Dr/ teacher. The theory is fine, the actuality needs to be sold better to DPs and also needs to spell out how you access the info being kept, how you remove error info being kept.

Buckinbronco · 14/04/2016 20:29

Ours asked for it, she was only 6m so very little info in it. I would've challenged them if I hadn't wanted to see it though

RunnerOnTheRun · 14/04/2016 20:31

It is definitely not an Ofsted requirement but policy paperwork/child details often ask for imms details, but it is just a load of tick boxes, no evidence is required.

Salfordlass · 14/04/2016 20:37

Just say u lost it -end of story - I didn't even produce mine at half of my 3rd n 4th child's immunisations as I never remember to take them and the nurses weren't too bothered.

MisForMumNotMaid · 14/04/2016 20:43

Theres been a change in two year checks. I believe its no longer compulsory for GP's practices to send out invites or monitor who has/ hasn't attended and in some circles there are big concerns that some children will fall further through the cracks. I do some work with people who for various reasons have found themselves struggling with young DC and its come up as a big concern in training that these are the sort of DC who could almost not be know.

I'm hoping that this nursery are quite switched on and its an across the board policy to help pick up missed vaccines and missed checks.

I understand reservations if theres stuff there you don't want them to see but why not just say that you don't want to share your birth story but if there are specific pages they'd like to see then you'll copy them.

StealthPolarBear · 14/04/2016 20:46

I don't think it's ever been compulsory for gps to get involved. It's still compulsory for a review to be offered, and will be for another year.

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