to think Cameron's the best of a pretty bad bunch

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Surely making Cameron resign would be a mistake- you'd only get some other corrupt git in his place, or possibly Corbyn. The latter seems like a nice, if inept, bloke with the right idea, but clearly doesn't know how to go about it. Tbh I wouldn't put him in charge of a flower committee, let alone a country.
Politics just doesn't seem to offer a particularly great choice atm. Anyone else with me on this?

I don't want Corbyn that's for sure. I wish the Lib Dems would get their act together, it would be good to have a third alternative rather than a two horse race to chose between the whole time.

i would love him gone, horrid vile man . i mean who uses their child like he has
Corbyn will be better purely because he doesn't hate disabled people.

Exactly, thick.

It has been said that the Lib Dems were brought down by Rennardism infecting the ranks, otherwise known as naked ambition and rampant misogyny.

If they can rebuild under Tim Farron I will be pleased to see it, but he's going to have to tackle the ridiculously convoluted Party procedures and the old boy / new boy network that persists.

I'm also a bit wary of Farron's lack of support for women's abortion rights.

But I would like to see a credible Lib Dem Party.

Yes you're completely and utterly U. Cameron is a corrupt wanker lining his and his mates' pockets whilst asset stripping anything he can. Flabbergasted that anyone can consider otherwise.

Actually I don;'t think Corbyn seems like a nice bloke at all. John Smith is a Labour leader I probably would have voted for- but nothing before or since could persuade me to vote Labour.
Cameron is the best of a bad bunch, but I would consider Lib Dem if as was mentioned earlier they could pull themselves back out of the mess they are in. I am hoping Corbyn will offer them that chance.

We need PR.

Was Nick Clegg at fault Liney? Or partially? Re ambition, misogyny. I know he personally lost many supporters through tuition fees/cosying up with Cameron. (As far as you know - you may not have the Lib Dems down as your specialist subject). Although at least Clegg had charisma; I'm not sure I'd recognise Farron if I passed him in the street. They need to rebuild rapidly.

I'm clearly a minority at the minute as I agree, I think the country would go tits up is Cameron left. He's definitely the best of the current bunch.

I'm not a fan of the Tories but I completely agree with you. I'm disappointed by the lack of plausible politicians and parties. I don't want to vote for any of them.

Agree sweetpea and OP. After the EU vote, I think he'll stand down as he will think why on earth am I being torn to shreds over perfectly legal activity, albeit handled badly, his entire families name dragged through the mud with him, just not worth it for the little thanks he gets. He'll be off on his own accord. So easy to allow bitterness and jealousy take over and criticise and such a shame so many fail to see the bigger, longer term picture.

Same friend has asked me twice now who is the leader of the libdems. Poor Tim farron doesn't seem to be making a mark yet.

as with all political storms cui bono?

The left will always grab an opportunity to bash a tory. Even when the brighter MPs know he is completely in the clear. Those that are keeping quiet are keeping schtumm for a reason - wont say but there are some very wealthy people on the opposition benches who have very very murky tax affairs. The dim ones are shouting about the usual gubbins - proves hes out of touch etc. They will carry on regardless even when it damages the party - anything, anything to detract from the studied stupidity of McDonnell and Corbyn

On the right it is all about Brexit. the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph are very much on the out camp (the express funded UKIP) Cameron is a remain, so they hope to damage him and thus the remain camp by association. Watch the news agenda in these papers shift to - if we exit then all will be better.

be forgotten next week.

I also agree with Sweatpea and Scattymere
He must think at sometimes why do I bother it can't be for the salary

SweetPea - the country is already going tits up. Health service is disintegrating, education is heading the same way, industry is practically non - existent. The public have no trust in the government or most of the media. The gap between the haves and have nots is getting bigger, the most vulnerable people are being screwed over while Dave's mates do very nicely thank you very much.

V enlightening, odd. Never thought of that.
At the same time, we all know 'perfectly legal' methods of tax evasion are morally questionable, but who wouldn't do the same if they stood to gain 72 grand? Come on... this is probably the least of it.

He'll be gone pretty soon after the EU referendum, which ever way the result goes.

I think the country would go tits up is Cameron left.

Good grief! Could there be a more cap-doffing view? He is just one man.

He must think at sometimes why do I bother it can't be for the salary

Awww the poor lamb.

ThroughTickAndThin I think the Lib Dem Party lost control of Clegg once he took the Lib Dems into coalition, and Rennard and his equally ambitious apparatchiks became far too powerful.

There's still many in the Lib Dem Party won't forgive Clegg for tuition fees.

All sorts of deals were done and Faustian pacts sealed within the Lib Dem senior ranks before and during the coalition, including cover-ups of really shitty behaviour. But hey, that's politics. I guess some voters just dared to dream that the Lib Dems might be just a little bit different.

Farron is a decent bloke but his strong Christian beliefs could well prove to be at odds with the leadership many would like to see on women's rights such as access to abortion throughout the UK.

Just my personal musings.

I really want to like JC, but when he speaks he just doesn't feel like the real deal to meMost politicans don't , to be fair, and I am no fan of the current mob in charge either. I so wish there was another party - I know people will say go Green or whatever, but they really have little hope of getting in either. The lib dems were okay but became shafted over the Uni fees- plus people hated them for teaming up with the Tories too ( just my opinion, but it didn't help their cause) Whenever I see their leader on TV , he sounds very 'wishy washy' too. Its very depressing I think.
I bet the right wing press will just start to 'dig around' Corbyn's affairs. They do like a bit of tit for tat. Watch this space.

You see I don't understand the resentment of politicians earning or having good money.
No not everyone in the country does earn lots of money- but if intelligent, talented, hardworking people can earn good livings elsewhere or mediocre ones in government most will go elsewhere leaving vacancies. ...

Lib dems are dead, truly. I really don't see a comeback at least not in the foreseeable future. I also wouldn't recognise Farron if I passed him in the street. In fact I keep forgetting his name! And this is (prior to the coalition) a life long lib dem supporter... He lacks charisma and actually is a bit backwards what with his evangelical Christian views, particularly with regards to abortion.

I love Corbyn. I feel like people are just trying to pick any issue possible with labour, as if everyone wants the Tories in power. If you want to get rid of them, fucking vote labour. Regardless of who the leader is. You're voting for policies, not personality. I think Corbyn's great, truly.

Anyway you're right. They're still Tories, they're all born hypocrites lacking in a moral compass and any remote empathy so it doesn't matter who the leader is. Cameron's probably one of the slightly better ones yes, a billion times better than Gideon. I actually want them to elect a true cunt like Gideon though so the party falls into disarray and shambles thus forcing a labour majority in 2020.

would love him gone, horrid vile man . i mean who uses their child like he has
Corbyn will be better purely because he doesn't hate disabled people

hear hear! and of course for his hipocricy,

as for fallon, did I hear hes willing to do another coalition with the cuntservatives ???? WTF after the way clegg was used as a whipping boy?

but OP, you have a point, and if DC resigned today who'd take over? bloody pissing chancellor?

Can you imagine what would have been passed in the last administration if the LDs hadn't been part of the coalition? Wait: nearly all the legislation we've faced in the last year.

I hate party politics. It colours our thinking so much.

I'd love it if somehow you had to vote for manifestos, not the party name. Plenty of people have voted the same for decades even though the X Party has hardly any of the same people or policies as they did when they first voted.