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AIBU?

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This bothers me AIBU

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 17:03

So, I work shifts (fine) anti social hours (also fine) sometimes with someone else (fine.) This involves driving.

If I worked at asda 7-11 I wouldn't be expected to pick up my colleagues and drop them off so whys it considered an expectation because the job is car based? Or AIBU?

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Buddahbelly · 04/04/2016 17:51

It's basically saying you are ok to lose out on bits of your time here and there because you drive, and your setting off earlier than you need to in order to collect someone, but the other person who doesn't drive actually gains time that they would be on the bus/train/cycling to work, by sitting at home waiting to be picked up.

what would happen if your car wasn't working?

user7755 · 04/04/2016 17:53

Do you get extra money for taking someone else in your car? We used to get paid if we took a passenger.

StealthPolarBear · 04/04/2016 17:53

Effectively your organisation hires driving carers and non driving carers. As far as I'm concerned these are two completely different jobs with different requirements of the role.

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 17:55

No, we don't get any extra money and Buddha, yeah quite.

If my car wasn't working I'd either be put with a driver or more likely not be given shifts.

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CubicZirconiaBossyBabe · 04/04/2016 17:57

I was the non driver in a similar work situation years ago

I bussed myself to work location 1
Colleague drove us between location 1&2, 2&3, 3&4.. then we were finished and I bussed home from location 4

YANBU I did not expect a taxi service to and from work. However it was part of the job that I was driven BETWEEN jobs, which is different.

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 17:58

Oh between jobs is totally different that is what the mileage is for.

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CubicZirconiaBossyBabe · 04/04/2016 18:02

IMO the fact that once you START work it involves them being driven between locations is irrelevant to their own responsibilities to get themselves to and from the start and end of the work day

CubicZirconiaBossyBabe · 04/04/2016 18:06

Up until you start with your first client it's really no different to doing a full day in one location/an office.

You're not at work until client 1 if you're not being paid until client 1, so you should be free to get there however you please so long as you get there… and should have no responsibility to get anyone else there - it's YOUR time up until you arrive and start, you could go via the shops if you want, you could take several hours getting there via the scenic route, it should be nobody else's business

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 18:09

Thanks cubic, that is how I see it.

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calamityjam · 04/04/2016 18:14

I take it all your clients are doubles? What happens if you both had seperate single visits inbetween clients? YANBU at all. It is like working at ASDA and expecting someone to collect and drop you off before and after shifts. Utterly ridiculous. They are clearly desperate for staff and are employing non drivers and forcing the car drivers to provide an incentive for them. It used to bug me when non drivers used to get the routes closest to their homes and as a driver some of my calls would sodding miles away and 20 mins drive for a 15 mins appointment is not worth your while.

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 18:16

We don't operate like that calamity, it's doubles OR singles. If we ever get any singles we're both paid for it. What's really annoying is sometimes they will give you a single call that's 30 minutes but because it's a double up reduce it to 15 minutes!

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eddielizzard · 04/04/2016 18:16

i think you should meet at first job, and get home however you can on last job.

surely your colleague's transport is not your responsibility? or a compromise? you drop them at convenient bus stop or they get to your house? seems rather unfair.

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 18:17

It's very unfair

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calamityjam · 04/04/2016 18:20

Thats ridiculous. If its a 30 minute call you should both be paid for 30 mins. How do you clock in? The client will be charged for 2 carers for 30 mins each so why are you not paid for it?

calamityjam · 04/04/2016 18:22

Or are you saying that you are given a single call sometimes and because the non driver is with you, you have to split the money?

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 18:23

Yeah that's another way of looking at it.

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LatinForTelly · 04/04/2016 18:30

You are not being unreasonable. StealthPolarBear has it when she says the driving and non-driving role are different jobs.

You should be being paid for your time as well if you have to pick up colleagues before and after your official shift.

Jessbow · 04/04/2016 18:42

If you had to leave home at 7.30 to pick up jenny at 8, to be at Mrs white for 8.30, surely you should be paid the mileage AND the hour? After all, that is the first job of the day - they are asking you to pick her up.Likewise fter you have put Mr Smith to bed at 9pm, you should be paid for the next job- taking jenny home again,

Binders1 · 04/04/2016 18:58

Jess - op wouldn't be entitled to the full hour because she would still have to travel to the 1st appointment herself anyway, it's the difference in time between that and how much longer it takes to go via pick up of colleague.

Are other drivers complaining op? Is there a HR Manager you can speak. I agree with pp that the only fair way is that the non driver has to make their own way to 1st appointment and make their way home from last appointment. I don't see how they can force you otherwise. YANBU.

StopBoasting · 04/04/2016 19:06

YANBU - have you spoken to your employers? 40 mins is a lot to add to your day.

CubicZirconiaBossyBabe · 04/04/2016 19:12

it's the difference in time between that and how much longer it takes to go via pick up of colleague.

No it's really not.

ALL of your travel to work time is your own. You can arrive via staying over at a friends house, stop in every shop you pass, sing rude songs all the way, fart loudly in your car… none of that time is your work time. Sometimes I travel to the area I work in a good hour ahead of time and go for a leisurely lunch near work if I'm starting late. If I had to go pick up a colleague I couldn't do any of that.

Unless you're being asked to make a trip to another colleagues home to pick them up and drive them to work. Then ALL of that time is work time.

StealthPolarBear · 04/04/2016 19:14

Ooh are you allowed to smoke in your car after picking up colleague but before arriving at your first job? That should establish whether it's a work task or not.

CubicZirconiaBossyBabe · 04/04/2016 19:15

If I had a 50 min commute, and was required by work to pick up a colleague 5 mins in, adding 10 mins to my journey making it take an hour. I would be working for 55 mins.. not 5 mins (the difference between the 2)

CubicZirconiaBossyBabe · 04/04/2016 19:18

(crap at maths today, the difference in journey time would be 10 mins, but I shouldn't only be paid for 10 mins of extra work, it should be 55 mins of paid work. I would start work when I picked up my colleague)

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tortoiserock · 04/04/2016 19:32

Technically we're not supposed to smoke in uniform at all though people do!

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