The hijacker is not a "love sick man" he is an abusive shit

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Seriously, love has nothing to do with this.

It makes me furiousssssssss when these stalker fuckwits get described like this.

"Cherchez la femme" FUCKING HELL

He's a stalker extraordinaire. I would put money on him having some sort of order on him.

It wasn't just about media coverage, you were attacking the man himself calling him things like a 'shit' and a 'fuckwit'.

He's ill. It was blatantly obvious he was ill. But yes, let's get our PC knickers in a twist about misogyny whilst chucking insults and slurs at someone who is unwell.

He's a stalker extraordinaire. I would put money on him having some sort of order on him.

^ this was the language you used OP. Non of it based on fact.

None of it disproved either.

Let's see what comes out. There is a mega debate to be had about what constitutes a fair line between mental illness and abusiveness.

So, if he has schizophrenia and this was an episode where he wanted to get in contact with her, and in the past had been abusive to his ex-wife (the media are still reporting her as 'his wife' which in itself is misogyny) then which is he?

'Just' mentally ill? Or abusive too?

He is a fuckwit whichever way you want to spin your PC knickers. Funny how we see this hijacker in a different way to a religiously motivated hijacker - shall we throw some religious prejudice in here for a proper debate? When was the last time we checked on the mental state of a religiously motivated hijacker? Think that will be never. Yet, here it all seems very relevant. That'll be the misogyny again.

whichever way you want to spin your PC knickers

How about you grow up.

Nothing to do with PC knickers and more to do with actually waiting for the facts!

The facts are already there - as the story was reported, there was extreme sexism and misogyny.

What is your actual problem with this? Did you even see the coverage? -think I know the answer to that

What is your actual problem with this? Did you even see the coverage? -think I know the answer to that

Actually yes I did watch it so maybe don't jump to conclusions.

So you are telling me you were completely comfortable with the way in which it was reported?

No but nor am I for leaping to conclusions either and your OP says nothing about 'reporting'

So why couldn't you 'wait to see what comes out' before labelling someone a 'shit' and a 'fuckwit' and a 'stalker extraordinaire'.

There may be a fine line between abuse and mental illness. But when you're talking hijacking planes with no particular idea of where you're going or what you're doing, demanding Egypt's female prisoners are released, fake suicide vests, grinning selfies, asylum claims (even though you're American) and the probability that line has been crossed is quite high, don't you think?

How about you 'wait and see what comes out' before throwing round insults next time?

Hey how about we are able to get sick of reporting that blames women and labels men who are abusive as love sick. Because that is what actually happened. DESPITE what comes out.

You don't seem to be able to consider that there was an alternative way of describing the unfolding situation by the media and you blindly accept that it is "just a bit of misogyny and hey, what about his mental illness?" Yeah, what about the menz eh?

It's pointless discussing this with you, I'm just going to hide the thread. I haven't actually seen any misogyny in the coverage I've seen. I can't speak for what you've seen.

I'm just pointing out that you getting all cross about how you want things reporting in the press while throwing around (much worse) insults at someone who is almost certainly suffering from quite serious illness is jaw droppingly hypocritical. Because, yes, men get ill too.

Anyway, I'm hiding the thread. You clearly have your own issues but that's your problem.

You could have made any point you wanted about the misogyny of the reporting without the insults.

I haven't seen any reports which blame the woman.

If indeed there is one, as it is not remotely clear that those initial reports had any accuracy at all.

Yeah I agree he's ill. Don't make fun of women.... But make fun of the man who has mental issues
Makes sense.

I totally agree with Bill.

I presume the media took their initial tone from the Cypriot president's laughing remarks about 'always there is a woman involved'. That was gob-smackingly sexist and a completely inappropriate response to a potentially fatal situation.

So yes the media should have stopped to actually bloody think before going with that as their angle. A hostage situation is never a laughing matter, what were they thinking? People might have been killed.

However, I agree with Bill that labelling the hijacker before you knew the full facts was not on either.

Mental illness "can" cause people to behave in abusive ways. It "can" cause them to do dangerous things.

The difference is that if someone does it because of impaired cognitive function due to mental illness - it's not that persons true "choice" to behave as they do

Of course for the people who suffer the consequences of the behaviour it makes little difference, they suffer the same. But a mentally ill person is also a victim of the illness and the suffering that happens as a result of the consequences of the behaviour.

Thankfully it's actually rare that people with mental illness cause harm to others (they're far more likely to harm themselves)

And people who are not unwell and are simply abusive fuckwits do exist.

It was unlikely given the events reported today that this man was simply an abusive fuckwit, and far more plausible that he was mentally ill as Bill already explained

But lots of people aren't familiar with psychosis and manic episodes so perhaps wouldn't make the connection in the way that Bill and myself immediately did

I really don't think he can be called abusive if his actions are attributable to a mental illness. If he is mentally ill and I think it's obvious that he is, then he didn't really have what we would consider "choice", his illness led to him committing this act. He's not abusive, he needs to be helped rather than punished.