To wonder why the conservatives won't just tax people more ??

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Am I missing something here ?

Clearly there is a scarcity of money - and certain areas are rightly ring fenced .

But don't tell me that most working families can't afford an average of £50 a month - this would exclude people on low income , and for some families it £10 and for some £200 -

The UK is full of families and individuals with disposable income - a minor tax increase for 40% of the working population could raise £11bn

So why won't they do it ??? Baffles me - I would personally rather pay more tax and know that the vulnerable are cared for

We couldn't afford to pay more tax at the moment. We have a large mortgage and massive childcare costs. I'd be happy paying more tax in a country like Sweden where childcare is very heavily subsided.

These threads remind me of chuggers actually.

'Excuse me? EXCUSE ME? Do you have a minute to talk about - what? Don't care about children with a disability / people who are blind / cancer? No?'

It isn't that we don't care, but if we are all honest with ourselves, there's only a certain amount of time we all dedicate to thinking about others outside our immediate circles. That's natural and besides, if I spent my life thinking about the less fortunate I'd simply never get anything productive done.

I'd guess most of us care about issues that affect us in some way: my dad died of a heart attack, I naturally (if you like) care about heart disease and donate to charities as such. The fact that I don't donate to, say, food banks, doesn't mean I don't care - just that it's not as much on my radar.

I think we are all the same, really - unless there's anyone out there who actually supports everything?

Now I recognise OP isn't talking about charity but politics but it comes down to the same thing: a decision based on a range of factors.

Quite apart from anything else it's quite disingenuous to claim all conservative policies benefit the rich/disadvantage the poor (I'm certainly not rich and I have benefited from Cameron's reign if you like) and not all Labour policies put the poor at an advantage.

I don't believe that people on benefits live a life of luxury. Far from it. Nor do I think disabled people get a fair deal in the UK.

However, I do not want to pay more tax.

I already pay 45% on a large part of my earnings plus NI. I don't get any allowance. I'll soon lose tax relief on my pension.

My DH is on the same situation.

As a family we pay more than our fair share and we are not heavy users of public services.

Enough already.

If we need more tax money look to the corporations and the super rich please.

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Eric couldnt agree with you more.

Would much rather a tax cut and get rid of benefits. Just give out food vouchers

because the only need people on benefits have is to eat. They don't have bills to pay, a need to replace worn-outshoes, the occassional haircut, the need to travel from A to B....? should all people 'on benefits' just go into a workhouse?

'Cos you know, I'm a single parent - on tax credits - but I also work full time as a teacher in a very deprived area in a shortage area subject. What is it you would have me do? Which is better - that I receive a subsidy for my childcare costs and work or I duck and dive and dodge the system to not have to work?

because they know that people don't care about disabled people. they are just "them" and how dare they be so bloody needy.
until it happens to them........

Of course the claimants are not living a life of luxury, but they are able to live and not work, why should they not contribute to society if able?

None of the tory bashers have answered this question, why should anyone get something for doing nothing?

Xmas you high mortgage is a luxury , you could pay higher taxes instead.
It's a crazy country we live in when some families are overcrowded in unsuitable damp unsafe housing whilst working. Meanwhile threads on mumsnet pop up all the time " "what house I buy with 650k" and comments such as "need a four bed as I have three children" .

But really, OP and her ilk don't mean them. They mean other people.

Um no, I mean me.

But I'm not a better person, I have my own selfish reasons. They're just a bit different from yours, because I have a different idea of what my interest is. I think it's in my interest to live in a society with decent public services, less unfairness and less inequality. If me paying more taxes can be part of achieving that, then yes, I think me and my family will be better off in the end, even if I have a bit less money in my account.

Utter rubbish samcro.

I fully appreciate that disabled people in the UK are being shafted but the state cannot and should not look to me to pay more.

I am shouldering my share. But I absolutely refuse to accept that it is fair to ask me to pay over half of any £ I earn in tax.

I think we will have "workhouses" - but under the guise of Workfare. I think it will be full time, with a payment of £73 a week. And what opportunities will there be to get out of this? None because plenty of corporations will be all for the idea of slave labour.

I'll never own my own home, never be able to rent a council flat which I would equally love to do, work til I die with no pension anyway. Oh and god help me if I ever become disabled. Don't dare have children because I can't afford it and there will be no safety net under universal credit anyway.. It's depressing the hell out of me.

Add message | Report | Message poster Crazypetlady Fri 25-Mar-16 15:41:11
The selfishness of tories never fails to astound me.

I could equally say that the economic illiteracy of labour never fails to astound me.

EricNorthmanSucks really?? read the thread

Bunny - no need to be aggressive - I was curious what people thought about paying more tax. I work full time and work long hours so my sad excuse is I don't have time or energy to do much more . When I cut my hours or retire I would dearly like to .

And as for So OP you want me to pay an extra £600 tax per year to benefit society but not have a holiday. Because you judge my holiday as irrelevant shit

That's not what I meant - not at all. I live in a large and fairly affluent city and I see swathes of people lying fairly well heeled lives with meals out - I think they could and should be taxed more and wouldn't notice it.

anyway why the fuck am I justifying
Myself ! I asked a question and was curious to answers . I am allowed to think that many section of our society are greedy and materialistic

It's the same old story of the have's and have not's anyway - "I pay enough tax thank you very much despite earning 40k and enjoying 3 Holidays a year" while the less fortunate one can only dream of a holiday and the prospect of earning 13k.. My idea if a functioning cohesive society is that we work together to help each other, so we are more "equal" and dare I say it; that we love each other (I know this might just be too much for some) we are beginning to hate each other, and envy what we don't have.

We're in the 45% tax bracket yet you expect us to pay more OP? Seriously? Fuck off! We pay more than enough already.

A bit over dramatic followyourart! Does the use of workhouses figure in any party's manifesto? No, thought not. And you will have a pension - the new state pension is at a much higher level than the old, so you will have money to live on - even if you've never worked in paid employment.

Yes. Worked so well in Russia.

Quite an overgeneralisation though stopfu, i think people are generally cheesed off that they are having to pay more of a percentage of thier earnings than the very well off, which is unfair.

OP you are so misinformed.

Some of the wealthiest people I know are the most generous when it comes to donations, charity, philanthropy efforts - reaching those that need it.

No one I know, rich, middle income or low salaried wants to pay more tax. It is not a high earner thing - it's a human being thing. No one wants to pay more tax!

Biggest reason is due to the absolute inefficiencies of what ever Government is in power - this is not a Tory thing either! No Government will save you, for anyone to rely on politicians to make their life comfortable is going to be disappointed!

So you couldn't manage an extra say £50 spring? I doubt you'd even notice - and you'd still get your hols ;-)

Essentially then OP:

'People spend their money on luxuries. This money should go on tax which in turn would be given to those less fortunate then themselves.'

Several problems with that:

1. When people stop going to restaurants, going on holiday, buying non-essential but lovely items, businesses fold, creating job losses and more people relying on the state rather than paying into it.
2. Even less incentive to be a 'higher earner' - why? Why would you if it's going to be snatched off you and used for tax purposes?
3. When people buy things, they are paying tax

So none of this argument makes sense. It's reverse snobbery 'how dare some people have a holiday'.

There's only so far governments can bleed people for tax. Spring is right, why should someone already giving 45% of their income to the state pay even more? Control of expenditure, not increasing taxes, should be the priority.

Of course the claimants are not living a life of luxury, but they are able to live and not work, why should they not contribute to society if able?

What do you contribute to society other than taxes Madbengalmum?

Prior to being sacked from a £40k per annum job purely due to my ill health I contributed a lot to society. I obviously payed tax, but I also contributed monthly to numerous charities as well as organising collections for our local food bank and delivering meals on wheels to the elderly.
I also helped with school activities where I could.

Now, I exist.
I live, but it takes all my energy to do that (physically, emotionally & mentally).

What more do you want?

Stop you have a simpleton mentality on this issue. Surely you can spare an extra 50 a month if you wanted to. As for thinking people who dine out, go shopping are being materialistic cant really explain that to you.