To wonder why the conservatives won't just tax people more ??

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Am I missing something here ?

Clearly there is a scarcity of money - and certain areas are rightly ring fenced .

But don't tell me that most working families can't afford an average of £50 a month - this would exclude people on low income , and for some families it £10 and for some £200 -

The UK is full of families and individuals with disposable income - a minor tax increase for 40% of the working population could raise £11bn

So why won't they do it ??? Baffles me - I would personally rather pay more tax and know that the vulnerable are cared for

What these threads show is that there are now large numbers of people who simply don't want to pay for public services and infrastructure.

We live outside the UK so we tend to notice changes more than you do if they are part of your everyday reality. I think what shocked me most on our annual return last summer was the state of the roads. Parts of the M25 now look like and feel like something out of Africa.

Who says we don't want to pay for stuff?

It is how tax is used that is the issue.

holdon
There is already the money in the system, but they waste a lot on boomers as It wins votes.

All benefits are capped for 4 years, but not the pension with its triple lock.
the pension is circa £120 per week and is TAXED
it is paid for by years of NI contributions (used to be 40 then changed to 30 )
you are boomer-bashing to the nth degree. I do hope you noted that the budget did absolutely NOTHING for pensioners.

What these threads show is that there are now large numbers of people who simply don't want to pay for public services and infrastructure.

I don't think that's quite right... what these threads show is that people are swallowing the propaganda that their taxes mostly go towards lazy benefits scroungers. Which makes it easy for the conservatives to justify spending cuts. Which in turn leads to public services going to crap :-(

^ well i certainly know families who have not worked for generations, that is not propaganda.

It's quite telling that Sturgeon, now that she has the power is going back on the promised 50p tax rate. She has noted the effect that it would bring in less money because that would be taxing the people who are the most mobile.

Thing is though for some families more tax would make a huge difference for them, and i say that as someone on disability benefits right now!
Though i am terrified about disability cuts. For over a year i had to cope on £74 a week ( same amount as jsa even though i was to ill to get a job). I've been surving on survive on just over £400 a month for a year now before i was awarded pip (though that could now change).
I hate this. Ive worked for a decade until i couldn't stand because of pain. I do think the child cap will be a good thing. I know some people do just kep having kids to stay off work ( only small amount do) but the small amount of people who are claiming who don't need to be just makes it harder for genuine people. I've had to 'jump' through hoops to show that i was too ill to be working right now, only for a bit more than what jsa would get me. ( not going to start on the fact that the process has had a worse effect on my health problems and that a person from dep actually lied throughout the entire process )
I still don't think increasing tax for everybody is the answer though. A lot of people work hard for their money. They shouldn't have to pay even more.
Maybe the government should be thinking more about what they were actually spending it on( mps for instance........)

To the people who want to pay more - go ahead - its your conscience. Just give the money to charity.

Charity money will not save the NHS

Sorry should have been dwp not dep.
Sorry bad spelling throughout trying to do it one handed!

Madbengalmum I don't dispute that such families exist. But they are given hugely disproportionate importance in all the arguments about taxes and public spending. That's the propaganda element.

Have to agree with the 'if you feel that strongly about paying more, then pay'.

Nobody is stopping anyone from paying more to HMRC, equally nobody is stopping people from claiming things they don't necessarily need.

When I was working I didn't claim Tax Credits (I didn't qualify for most of it, only the child element), because I didn't actually have a need for it.

How many people claim things they don't actually need??

Even various allowances in public sector jobs - does a politician really need to be reimbursed for their breakfast?

Olddear forty years isn't bad going though is it? Today's young people will be working for 55 years and still receive a lower pension than you.

I think some of us are already making a substantial contribution to paying for public services. In the past year on a salary of substantially less than £100k I have paid tax and NI of over £25k! Why should I pay more?

I worry about statements like the op because, in reality, the vast majority of people in Britain don't earn very much at all. Yet there is this common notion that vast swathes of the population earn huge amounts of money.

The IFS states that about 80 percent of British income earners earn under £40,000 a year, and 50 percent earn under about £26,000 a year. These are not high salaries. You are talking about 50 percent of income earners taking home about £1600 a month or less -- and that is pretty much half the adult working population. Of the remaining 50 percent, 30 percent will take home up to an extra £1000 or so a month.

Asking people who earn these kinds of salaries to pay more tax, when they already pay between £6000 and £10000 every year in income tax and NI alone, is pretty unacceptable, particularly in our high housing cost climate.

When you are looking at people who earn over £40,000 a year, you are looking at about twenty percent of all British income earners and that declines sharply as the wage stratum increases. Only ten percent earn over £50,000, for example. Once you get to £100,000 a year, you are looking at less than one percent of all British income earners.

Mismanagement of funds and unnecessary allowances swallow a huge amount of 'tax payers money' in the public sector.

Just throwing extra money at something usually just means that there will be more money wasted.

It upsets HMRC terribly when you overpay. They write to you and pay you interest. They make you fill in tax returns.

Perhaps more pertinently, money is simply not always the solution to social problems.

Poverty isn't just about money: if it was, great, but it isn't.

Bit of a red herring though cd as there are plenty of things you can do with money you feel would benefit the less fortunate.

Charity
Give it to them directly
Donate it to a political party that supports them
Donate it to a school in a deprived area

But really, OP and her ilk don't mean them. They mean other people. Why won't other people hand over their money; I would so why won't everyone else?

Translates roughly as -'I'm a good person, you are not.'

Am curious as to what 'answers' you got that satisfied you OP.

Also keen to know what you do for the disadvantaged in our society?
Or are you one if those that expects others to 'do more'?

The selfishness of tories never fails to astound me.

It really does make me laugh that so many people - even many of my own friends and family are happy to swallow the bullshit they're fed every day in regards to benefit claimants living the life of luxury.
If that's what they think of it why don't they quit their jobs tomorrow and sign on??? When I was unemployed last I ate beans on toast most days and lived in a tiny room.. Now you can't rent a decent room for less than 500 a month of course (housing benefit is 220 in my area) funny also how most people think housing benefit "pays your rent" yeah about 30% of it.

I'd be more than happy to pay more tax if it meant that if I ever became disabled, I'd be able to access financial help. Also if it would save the Nhs.
This government is beyond a nightmare and by 2020 everything will be a mess.

X post with Granny re 'other people need to do more'.

The selfishness of tories never fails to astound me.

Labour had 13 years in which to bulletproof the NHS so that the nasty Tories couldn't ruin it.
Why didn't they?

It just morphed into an ever bigger money-sucking behemoth under Labour.