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Argument and husband left house without wedding ring

134 replies

idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 08:58

I need some advice please! Sorry this is long.

I did a family meal last night as it was my late Dad's birthday and 1 year on I didn't want to ignore it but not really celebrate it either - so I just did an informal meal for us and the kids.

We didn't drink much - a glass for a toast and one more after. So no-one drunk but not completely sober.

Meal goes well then my husband and mum start a conversation - to which I know she has extreme views on and he equally. Think religion ... but it wasn't. Husband fed her with an awful line to consider to which her response was equally as awful. At this point I put a stop to the conversation - said each to their own opinion and left it there.

Husband then went into a mood and started to clear away - signalling the night was most definitely over. I knew he meant this, mum and sibling just took the hint and packed up to leave.

They thanked us for the evening and he muttered a goodbye.

I went to bed not wanting to cause a row. I couldn't sleep and was upset he'd ended the night on a sour note.

This morning he asks abruptly why I'm not speaking. I told him I thought he was rude last night and that due to the date he could have let it slide for once.

He asks if I'm going to give my mum 'as much grief' for what she'd said - to which I replied yes I'll tell her it was out of order too.

I tell him he's not innocent in it all and fed her a ridiculously awful line to consider.

Then ... all hell breaks lose and he goes mad saying how out of order my mum was, when I once again pointed out he'd fed her theory with an awful line ... he refused to accept any part.

She'd brought us an expensive gift round too ... so when I said "Look it was an important date, she brought us a lovely gift, couldn't it have just been an easy night ...

To which

He flies off the handle and says 'give it her back' and then smashes a coffee pot and wine glass all over the side in the kitchen.

I couldn't quite believe how mad he'd gone. He throws toddler tantrums but doesn't usually smash stuff - and I stupidly cleaned it up.

He apologised to the kids and refused to apologies to me.

I told him I was sick of it and that I could do this all on my own.

I then told him I didn't mean what I'd said but what he'd done was unacceptable.

He showered, then I showered, then he left for work without saying a word.

He's left his wedding ring on the side. He never does this, so not accidently forgotten to put it back on.

I rang my mum and she said she was glad I stopped the conversation when I did, and each to their own on opinion, but she feels awful it esculated to an argument. She thought he was a bit 'off' at the end of the night but mainly that she just thought he was tired when he left the table.

She said to not argue back and just wait until he comes round.

We have a weekend of family stuff with both sides of the family which I can't 'fake' all weekend.

Am I seriously in the wrong here?

Hate arguments but don't think I need to apologies here ...

Feeling a bit numb more than anything at the moment.

What do you think?

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Hygge · 24/03/2016 12:44

I'm generally f*cked off that this could all have been avoided had I kept my mouth shut but again, why should I?

If I let everything that bothers me just slide on by I'd go mad (not to the point of trashing something!) and most things I do.

You shouldn't have to keep your mouth shut. He was throwing things and breaking them, and by your account said something to deliberately provoke your mother into saying something horrible.

It's perfectly reasonable to say something to both of them in this case. I'd have plenty to say to my DH if he then started to smash things in his temper.

It does no good to keep resentments to yourself to keep the peace. If someone is behaving badly and you feel you can't speak because then they will behave even worse, there's something wrong. People should be able to have difficult conversations without feeling frightened of the comeback, especially if that involves throwing stuff.

Birdsgottafly · 24/03/2016 12:45

""Husband knows my mums views so knew she would say something controversial.
She was wrong saying it - but he can't now act holier-than-thou pretending he didn't think she'd respond like that""

That's Gaslighting.

""my kids are too young to explain this too (and will hopefully forget)""

Only if this behaviour stops from now on.

"" and dread tonights 'homecoming'.""

You should never have to dread someone that you live with, coming home.

You might be joking about getting on the wine, but your children can't and they will be picking up on this.

I can remember my Mum having times of dread and what I remember most is that during those times how much focus was on my Dad and how I was completely forgotten. Don't underestimate how this impacts on your relationship also, with your children.

BlackeyedSusan · 24/03/2016 12:46

he is abusive. smashing your possesions is abusive.

Birthgeek · 24/03/2016 12:47

I must have deserved that hey?

Well, quite. What else are you meant to conclude?! He's basically said to the kids, "sorry for frightening you but mummy was being a stupid bitch"

This man sounds horrible OP and I wish you wanted a calmer life for yourself...

Birthgeek · 24/03/2016 12:52

If it was me I would quite honestly take the kids with me and stay elsewhere tonight. I wouldn't want to be there when he came home. Give him some time to calm down and consider his actions. Give myself some time and space to think clearly about my next moves and what I want to see from DH (at the very least it'd be counselling and anger management).

This all sounds like the escalation of his treatment of you that has been going on for a long time?

diddl · 24/03/2016 13:21

"He didn't deliberately break things this morning."

Sorry, that was me.

It was supposed to follow on from "it could have been avoided if...", when Op was putting the blame on herself.

I can see how it doesn't follow clearly in my post, sorry!Blush

idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 13:57

Well I've not heard a peep from him Sad

Why am I now doubting myself?

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 24/03/2016 14:01

He was never going to contact you. He's letting yOu stew.

BolshierAryaStark · 24/03/2016 14:01

I too think his behaviour was appalling. Last nights performance sounds just awful, why would he behave like that on what was a significant date for you & your mother?
As for this Morning? No way would I tolerate that shit & I certainly wouldn't be dreading his homecoming. I'd either ring or text him outlining exactly why his behaviour is unacceptable, I'd also tell him I needed some space to think through if I actually wanted to continue in a marriage with the person he demonstrated he is & that he would be needing alternative accommodation this evening.

diddl · 24/03/2016 14:05

He appears to be putting you back in your place.

He acted terribly & yet here you are stewing about it all & he's more than likely not given it a thought since he left the house.

idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 14:12

Wish I was a hard-faced cow - would be much easier!

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AnyFucker · 24/03/2016 14:13

Get back in your box, op !

BillSykesDog · 24/03/2016 14:16

I really think you need to explain what was said OP. Because I kind of get the feeling that you are somewhat obfuscating about it because you know if you actually said what your mother had said you'd lose sympathy.

The way I'm reading it at the moment is that someone, either your husband or someone very close to him has had some sort of extremely unpleasant or traumatic experience in their lives and your mother has said that they must have deserved it because of something they did in a past life.

If that's what was said then it's extremely offensive. And TBH, if my DH allowed something like that to be said about someone close to me I would probably throw things at him too.

idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 14:18

It was nothing personal to anyone my husband knows nor to any of our family.

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BillSykesDog · 24/03/2016 14:18

Was it along the lines of what William Roache said? That children who are sexually abused are to blame because of something they did in their past lives?

NameChange30 · 24/03/2016 14:24

Some reading for you OP
signs of emotional abuse
Am I in an abusive relationship?
The Abuser Profiles

idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 14:30

Put it this way - it wasn't very nice at all. The example given to my mum wasn't nice and her response wasn't nice. I put an end to it.

I wish I'd bloody never arranged the meal now

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LittleLionMansMummy · 24/03/2016 14:34

As an isolated incident I'd say everyone got carried away and to just shut up and move on. But it sounds like this is more a pattern of behaviour with dp sulking/ threatening to leave and op walking on eggshells so as to avoid conflict. I'm not sure it matters what was said. His over reaction (sulking and breaking things - in view/ earshot of the children?) is something that would massively concern me if it's a regular thing. Has this kind of thing happened before op? Provoking an argument and a subsequent reaction and then withdrawing and blaming others (you, your mum or whoever) is concerning behaviour.

Badders123 · 24/03/2016 14:37

Op....if your friend came to your house upset and told you her Dh had done what yours has...been rude to your mum on a difficult anniversary, then made everyone leave, then got angry and started smashing stuff up, but refused to apologise, what would you tell her?
He is making you doubt yourself because he is an abusive bastard.
Ok...I get what your mum said wasn't nice but he deliberately provoked her.
My own ILS are religious and it's become an unwritten rule that we just don't talk about it. We don't agree and I find some of their views repellent.
I would NEVER make an inflammatory comment to my mil for instance and especially not on the anniversary of a loved ones death.
Your Dh has been rude, cruel and violent.
You should be thankful it was inanimate objects I suppose....
It could be you next time :(
This is how it starts.
Please please check out some of the links posters have posted.
What do you think has angered him more?
You not talking to him?
Or you pointing out you can cope very well without him?

LeaLeander · 24/03/2016 14:38

He sounds like a boor and possibly an abuser.

But why are you detailing marital rows and the like to your mother especially when she was involved in the incident that precipitated the argument with your husband? If you do that often or as a rule, no wonder he feels odd man out and ganged up on.

If someone tossed his wedding ring down and refused to speak to me, I would consider it time to call a lawyer and find out my legal position, and begin Plan B.

MyKingdomForBrie · 24/03/2016 14:40

Do not doubt yourself. He was entirely wrong to react the way he did both to your family at the time (making them so uncomfortable they left) and to you in smashing things, being aggressive and putting you down (apologising only to the DC). Doesn't matter if your mum holds some out there views. She's entitled to a view. He challenged it, which he shouldn't have done over dinner for a sensitive family occasion but which again he is entitled to do, it is everything after that in which he has been childish and then abusive.

Your mum has apologised to you (and does not owe him an apology) he should also apologise to you but for a hell of a lot more.

Birthgeek · 24/03/2016 14:41

What was said at the dinner table isn't the issue. There's no excuse for intimidation and violence.

OP - I wonder if your quick backtrack on "I could do this all on my own" and saying you didn't mean it, was an "Ah ha!" moment for him... That's why he left his ring and hasn't been in touch - he's trying to punish you.

Or he could actually want to leave. But more likely to be threats and a way of regaining control as you stood up to him.

If so, this is all backwards and so wrong. You're not still thinking of apologising to him, are you?

idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 14:46

I take the point re the friend.

I don't usually involve my mum in any marital rows - but I felt I had to express that her views were not acceptable as 'the norm' just as his provoking wasn't.

I suppose that what she saw as her given right to have an opinion had consequences?

He's not a serial smasher up of items - but he does have tantrums. Not just with me, his family, work colleagues - some are laughable so not so.

I think I'm dwelling on it too much now and am being rather shit at work today.

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idlikeasnooze · 24/03/2016 14:48

No I won't be apologising

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NameChange30 · 24/03/2016 14:50

Why any adult should be having "tantrums" is beyond me.

Why anyone should put up with it is also beyond me.