to think that Cultural Christianity is not a baffling concept?

[GooseberryRoolz]

I keep reading and hearing apparent bafflement about this.

It's NOT baffling is it?

[GooseberryRoolz]

Vintage I said I don't SAY it much myself, but I do keep READING it and sometimes HEARING it (accompanied each time by at least one person mocking or claiming not to understand).

[GooseberryRoolz]

That too wizzy.

[GooseberryRoolz]

This is the most recent thread;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2595769-Bacon-in-a-hot-cross-bun-Have-Sainsburys-decided-to-piss-all-over-my-culture?

[Vintage45]

Err hang on a minute here OP. You said you thought it was "blindingly Obvious" so that inferred that anyone else that didn't know what it meant was a bit thick. So, wording it better when you don't want to come across as a know it all would help.

[ailbhel]

After guessing, I googled, and it's a phrase used innocuously and racistly. Both of which I guessed. It doesn't seem to have the misogynist version but I daresay there are areligious sects forming as I Swype.

[PaulAnkaTheDog]

What a load of fucking bollocks.

I say that as a practising Catholic.

[Vintage45]

I also think capitals are rather shouty and rude, but hey.

[GooseberryRoolz]

For the record, I had not heard the phrase 'Cultural Christianity' before, but thoroughly understand 'Cultural/Secular Jew' and 'Cultural Hinduism'

That's interesting Sprink.

[Gwenhwyfar]

"Jesus, don't piss all over the OP for using a phrase you're not familiar with. "

Exactly. You all have access to search engines.

"I'm an atheist and DH is agnostic; we still give DD Christmas presents and Easter eggs. We don't call it Christian Culturalism or whatever it was."

That's because you didn't know what it was called I suppose.

[UrbaneLandlord]

Also Winston Churchill referred to "Christian Civilisation" on a number of occasions.

Surely, he meant the term as the antithesis of Nazism; rather than to exclude Jews, Hindus or any other religion.

After all, Adolf Hitler was a Christian. He was born a Roman Catholic and never renounced his faith.

[GooseberryRoolz]

It's not that I think anyone's thick Vintage, I'm just wondering how exactly one could live in the UK/similar/anywhere and not know what it was. I'm trying to figure out how much is people rejecting the concept for some reason and how much is not recognising the phenomenon and how much is just about the terminology.

(I'm tending towards caps because doing italics on this tiny device is a PITA)

[Vintage45]

Not "pissing all over the OP for using a phrase" Thinking the OP is bloody rude for saying everyone should understand it! What a flaming cheek.

[Vintage45]

Your still doing the high and mighty thing OP. Why would you "think" that everyone should know about it?

[GooseberryRoolz]

I haven't said anyone should understand anything vintage. I'm just trying to work out how many people who profess not to understand it, really don't.

For example PaulAnka up there has just pronounced 'bollocks' to some or all of this (not really clear). Is that another person saying 'bollocks does CC exist' or does she mean 'bollocks I refuse to recognise CC' or something else?

[Gwenhwyfar]

Never heard of Godwin's law Urbane?

[Vintage45]

err ok OP

[GooseberryRoolz]

Your still doing the high and mighty thing OP. confused Why would you "think" that everyone should know about it?

Where have I said 'should' vinatge?

I 'think' that most people know that David Cameron is PM and that the Jewish holy book is the Torah and that KFC is a popular takeaway chain. Common knowledge type things.

I'd be surprised if a lot of people posted on different threads claimingthey didn't know or recognise the truth of one of those things.

That's how it seems to me. I'm trying to work out why my 'it's obvious' perception differs so much from other people's.

[Vintage45]

Zannex anyone?

[GooseberryRoolz]

Maybe quarter to ten on a Sunday wasn't the best time.

[Out2pasture]

so if I drew a line, with one end of the line being an ultra devote Christian and the other end representing someone with no Christian belief, you mean to inform me that "cultural Christianity" falls somewhere on that line.

[CantChoose]

"So I'm just asking - really politely"
It's not very polite to refuse to explain what you're asking even when other posters politely request you do so.
You say you're 'too scared' to define it yourself - it can't be that bloody obvious then can it...
And you say you're sure there's a Wikipedia page. Why not link to it?
You seem to expect everyone to put in a lot of effort to answer your question.
Religious connotations aside, you're very 'holier-than-thou', and a bit patronising really...
I've never heard he term myself although (now I've looked the bloody thing up as you refused to explain) I'm pretty sure I'd work it out in context. It's made up jargon though, I don't think someone who doesn't immediately understand it is in any way thick...

[lorelei9]

I had no idea what it meant the first time someone said it to me

I suppose it's partly because I am convinced people apply it differently to me on the basis of skin colour

for example, if I got worked up about bacon in a hot cross bun, I don't think anyone would link me to Christianity because that's not what my ancestors were

then again I'm an atheist anyway

to me hot cross buns are just part of my life because I eat them

but then I wouldn't refer to them as my "culture"

I hate the term "culture" full stop though. Goodness knows what the powers that be would decide was my culture. I'd say I'm a Londoner and an atheist, are those linked to a "culture"?

Is someone who gives Christmas presents a cultural Christian? Surely you have to have some connection to the religion in order to be a cultural Christian/Jew/Sikh etc? I mean a current one, not one that applies to people in your past.

[GooseberryRoolz]

I wouldn't think it falls on a line of belief at all, would it?

I think of it more as habits, traditions, food, art etc etc.

[GooseberryRoolz]

If you like, Choose. I CBA to argue with someone who is going to deliberately twist a jocular remark.

[lorelei9]

wizzywig "I thought it was like cultural muslims. They like the history, art, culture and poetry of islam but dont actually practice the religion itself"

so anyone who is really interested in/likes/studies/enthuses about the above but doesn't practice Islam, is a cultural Muslim? That can't be correct. There are tons of scholars fascinated by particular things but that doesn't make them a cultural whatever.