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To think this video explains, why a 'significant' number of parents want a grammar school or at least the same socio economic or culture mix when choosing a school

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jonesthegirl · 10/03/2016 12:52

www.ahs.bucks.sch.uk/dvd/

This video highlights the huge discrepancies between state schools, particulary 'grammar' schools and non selective 'comprehensives' .

The video demonstrates a school that is a totally calm and pleasant environment . A place where even a 'raised'voice by a pupil to teacher would be rebuffed as equally by fellow pupils as the member of staff.

This shows that it is not just academic standards that are 1000% better but behaviour, mutal respect and endorses the old saying.

'you become like the people you socialise with'

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DaisyChain78 · 10/03/2016 19:55

I went to a grammar OP which did a wonderful job of setting many of us up with mental health problems. Behaviour was dreadful - split between arrogant mouthy girls who knew they could coast and get top grades and poor disengaged souls who were repeatedly told they weren't good enough for getting a B. Similarly it attracted its fair share of teachers who hoped being in a grammar school meant they wouldn't actually have to do any teaching. It set me up for a place at Oxbridge (I'm sure you would approve) but not much else. But the idea of a totally calm and pleasant environment does make me giggle...

jonesthegirl · 10/03/2016 20:01

Wow what a number of nasty remarks .

Quite noteably , some people have made reference to my lack of know how in using the English language .

This of course it not surprising considering i have as stated by various reports a complex neuro-developmental disorder consisting of Asperger Syndrome/Dyspraxia Dyslexia and Irlen Syndrome.

For me just to be able to attempt level 1 of an Open University Degree requires effort, determination and courage far outstripping any thing the bullies on here can understand.

N.B It does not make you a horrible person for expressing a different opinion from the majority.

Perhaps the term social economic is offensive to some people..

The term cultural mix in my understanding means people who buy in to the concept of learning, or trying to improve themselves regardless of difficulties.

This has nothing to do race religion or ethnic background, that is why working class white children are bottom in acaedmic achievement. This also explains why many asian families become succesful in this country despite arriving in the country with only the clothes on their back.

This is particular true of the Ugandan's who arrived and have become the most succesful of all ethnic groups .

The thing a large number of asian families have in common is a belief in structured education that probably means segregation by abilty.

To accuse me of racism or discrimination is so wide of the mark and smacks of ignorance on the very people who call me for my 'ignorance'.

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BertrandRussell · 10/03/2016 20:06

Jones- your OP was really offensive. And so were some of your subsequent posts- Grimethorpe Community College for example. No wonder people got cross!

jonesthegirl · 10/03/2016 20:37

Sorry Bertrand. Can i take back some of my more mean and thoughtless comments.

The term 'Wack Job' is also not helpful to me or anyone suffering ongoing 'Mental Health problems' (or people needing a large no of pills each day) to overcome anxiety,heath conditions depression and a sense of foreboding for the day ahead every day.

My three DDs have all taken after their Dad that is fortunate , DD3 though possibly has Dyslexia. However, i have passed on all of my conditions to DS who suffers exponentially with his conditions despite being a magician with maths.

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BertrandRussell · 10/03/2016 20:39

Oh, come on, you've been here long enough to be tougher than that. You knew what you were letting yourself in for!

jonesthegirl · 10/03/2016 21:08

This might help to explain why i post things and say the first thing that comes in to my head without thinking of the larger picture.haracteristics Of Aspergers: Rigid Language Perception
aspergers language

Aspies can struggle to perceive language beyond its most literal meaning. Thus, where a neuro-typical would instinctively read metaphorical meaning in a statement an Aspie would struggle to rationalise anything beyond the literal meaning of the words.

An example such as "he is a night owl" could instantly be translated by a neuro-typical to mean someone who often works or plays into the early hours of the morning. An Aspie could initially interpret the digital meaning of the words as being he is a feathered nocturnal predator with large eyes.

Obviously there is a sliding scale of intensity in this respect. Some Aspies are at the extreme end of the scale where almost all language is rigidly interpreted, whereas others are far closer to the neuro-typical norm and can generally understand metaphor and analogy as intended.

This problem actually arises because neuro-typicals (due to their brain wiring) have effectively become lazy in using language substituting generalised information in place of clean, specific information. This can, from time to time, cause misunderstandings between neuro-typicals. However, it causes far more of a problem for Aspies. When we show parents how to better interact with Aspies we teach them how to 'clean up' their language and communication skills.

The neuro-typical brain is wired to generalise, distort and delete information which manifests in their thoughts and subsequently in their language. Although an Aspie will also distort, delete and generalise to a degree - the parameters are often considerably more narrow meaning that they struggle to understand (neuro-typical) language beyond their own individual parameters.

We have devised a simple way of bridging this 'parameter' gap which any Aspie can learn and any parent can teach.

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chilipepper20 · 10/03/2016 21:12

1000% is just 10 times.

ilovesooty · 10/03/2016 22:26

It's like bloody Groundhog Day.

guerre · 10/03/2016 22:37

So let me get this straight. You have three DDs that were educated in grammar schools. You think non-selective schools are horrific. Have you ever been in a non-selective school? What are you basing your judgement of them on exactly?

I just want to be clear on this. I do not see how one can draw valid comparisons between two objects where one only has knowledge and experience of one of them.

Owllady · 10/03/2016 22:43

So you don't want your children mixing with white working class children? Confused
I understand alot about autism btw
Have you ever been to Aylesbury?

WaitrosePigeon · 10/03/2016 22:44

What the fuck is going on here lately. Some of the stuff I have read on here today is fucking mental.

Brokenbiscuit · 10/03/2016 22:53

Our local "sink" school that is currently in special measures has a video that looks just like that. We had to choose secondaries earlier this year, and they were clearly doing the hard sell - their PR materials made the school sound idyllic. Very similar to the video linked to by the OP.

The fantastic comprehensive school that we chose didn't have quite so many glossy brochures, and there wasn't a promotional video at all. But then, the school is so heavily over-subscribed anyway that they probably don't feel the need to waste their money on that sort of stuff. Quality speaks for itself.

I hope that dd's new school will help her to develop the sort of critical thinking skills that the OP appears to lack.

Lanark2 · 10/03/2016 22:53

Who is a night owl?

lurked101 · 10/03/2016 23:00

I'd say that a promotional video like that suggests that the school isn't getting as many students as it wants.

Really good schools don't need to promote, the results, reputation and the word of mouth of the parents does it for them.

Oliversmumsarmy · 10/03/2016 23:21

To think this video explains, why a 'significant' number of parents want a grammar school or at least the same socio economic or culture mix when choosing a school

How does this schools advertising video show this.

ouryve · 10/03/2016 23:35

jones I'm all too bloody familiar with autism.

Most of the adults I know with a diagnosis (certainly the ones high functioning enough to post in forums) are all too aware of their particular issues and obsessions, though. This is yours. It is not a healthy one to indulge, particularly when you denegrate whole sections of society in your attempts to prove how Right and Justified you are in your obsession.

Maybe now you've realised how foolish it is to piss of whole section of Yorkshire society, you'll clmb off that particular hobby horse and find a healthier one.

Oliversmumsarmy · 10/03/2016 23:37

lurked ds said exactly that after both he and his sister had stopped laughing.

ouryve · 10/03/2016 23:37

"This problem actually arises because neuro-typicals (due to their brain wiring) have effectively become lazy in using language substituting generalised information in place of clean, specific information."

I have no diagnosis, but I am not entirely NT. You know as well as I do that this is bollocks in the context of your posts, today. And yet again, you are denigrating a whole section of society to prove a point - 97%, in this case.

AYD2MITalkTalk · 10/03/2016 23:40

1000% better is actually 11 times better

jonesthegirl · 11/03/2016 00:03

I have just watched ' The Secret History of Families' :The Gadbury Sisters Three pickpockets from london in the 1830s.

What the story tells me, is that some of my postings were judgemental inacurate or just totally wrong.

I Have visted Alyesbury once !

I went to a Comprehensive school myself in Hertfordshire . Elder sister ended up at Durham University from there by contrast i ended up at 'Super Drug' coming out of the school with 1 GCSE grade C in History

DS attends an improving Modern School in Kent

I say these things because i have been accusesd of having no contact or knowledge of Comprehensive education.

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jonesthegirl · 11/03/2016 00:05

Aylesbury once...

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Owllady · 11/03/2016 00:16

I suppose once is enough

AndNowItsSeven · 11/03/2016 01:28

Sorry to disappoint you op the admissions criteria states that if oversubscribed priority after LAC goes to children entitled to free school meals.

AndNowItsSeven · 11/03/2016 01:28

That's in the school in your op btw.

MartinaJ · 11/03/2016 04:48

OP, you can't write an offensive post and then pull out your medical history as an excuse. If you are so well aware of all the traits it may bring with it, be it tendency to obsess with one particular subject or come across as very direct then you are able to regulate that behaviour. If you can't resist the compulsion, I suggest you attach a little waiver to your posts, warning us not to get offended next time you suggest segregation of children based on their socioeconomical and cultural background and reserve grammar schools for the elite.

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