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Why would someone say this about vaccines? Is it odd?

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PuzzlingPanda · 09/03/2016 19:59

Was in a health food shop today and mentioned an ongoing issue I'm having with one of my do.

The man mentioned he thought the biggest thing going wrong with our children was all the vaccines they receive. He said they full of nasties, designed to make people ill.

It could be put down to a man having a pointless rant but why would he say this? Is there any sort of truth in it?

Not the first time I've heard negative things about vaccines.

Now I'm worried about it.

OP posts:
BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 17:41

"I hate it when people say 'enjoy your ignorance'

Step too far for me when people are trying to just offer both viewpoints. I don't , and have never, said that anyone is an idiot (or similar) for vaccinating. "

Well, when you said "Wake up!", you sort of were. Or did you think it was OK because you left off "sheeple"?

And there are only two viewpoints in the same way there are two views on climate change. The entire medical and scientific community on one side. A few people who think research means googling on the other.

BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 17:45

"That article was just pure scaremongering though."

And your completely inaccurate post about vaccination and SIDS in Japan wasn't????!

StarUtopia · 14/03/2016 17:46

It's not the entire medical community though, is it? Or the entire scientific community?

Research...what..so you mean going into a library? How is that any different? All papers published online these days.

I said wake up because it's frustrating hearing that people believe they are covered if they vaccinate. They may be, but it doesn't guarantee it.

Sheeple? What?

And it is a step too far. No one knows anyone elses circumstances on here. It's akin to telling people they'll 'regret it' etc etc

sugar21 · 14/03/2016 17:54

Dr Google produces link and counter link time and time again.
I do not wish to see another child die like my little Daisy
If only Dr Google could throw up a link to bring her back I may be happy once again, until then I do not believe any links unless they are from Public Health sources..
It is not pleasant watching your own child die and I am broken I will never be the same I am in a void.
If only if only Daisy had been born last year she may still be alive instead of that horrible death

Yes I am emotional yes I am sad and I will never be any different.
So link and counter links have no effect it is not a game of oneupmanship. We can all google google google and get the answer that suits us.
The answer I want isn't there

BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 18:00

Star- please wil you comment on your statement that SIDS in Japan dropped to zero when the vaccine schedule was changed.

shinynewusername · 14/03/2016 19:35

It's not the entire medical community though, is it?

Yes it is, other than a handful of unethical bastards who are profiteering from selling single vaccines.

bumbleymummy · 14/03/2016 19:54

Plenty of private doctors are profiting from the MenB vaccine right now. Is that unethical? Or just providing parents with a choice?

BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 19:56

I don't know. Are they telling parents that their children will suffer awful consequences if they get the MenB from anyone else? If so, then yes. If not, then no.

bumbleymummy · 14/03/2016 20:18

There isn't an alternative MenB vaccine for them to get elsewhere. They're profiting from parents choosing to give a vaccine off the NHS schedule.

sugar21 · 14/03/2016 20:20

Supplies have run out of bexsero for private practises but the NHS allocation is fine

BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 20:34

"There isn't an alternative MenB vaccine for them to get elsewhere. They're profiting from parents choosing to give a vaccine off the NHS schedule."

That's private medicine for you. They are not saying that they have a special form of the MenB vaccine that is safe when the NHS one is dangerous.

Do not muddy the waters, bumbleymummy. Some of us have been here long enough to know that that is your role in debates like this. But I, for one, won't let you go away with it.

bumbleymummy · 14/03/2016 20:45

Yes, and I've been around long enough to know that you look for any reason to have an argument Bert. Including trying to attribute other people's posts to me when you can't find anything in my posts to argue with. (Sorry, but that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen! Grin )

Yes, it's private medicine. They are profiting from giving parents the choice of giving a vaccine that they want that isn't available to them on the NHS. I, personally, don't think it's unethical to give parents a choice - shiny seems to think it is.

IMO it was unethical to remove the single measles vaccine from the NHS schedule when there was so much concern about the MMR. All very well to look back in hindsight and say there was nothing to worry about but at the time parents were left in a horrible position. At least private doctors gave them a choice that allowed them to have their children vaccinated.

BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 20:49

Star- please wil you comment on your statement that SIDS in Japan dropped to zero when the vaccine schedule was changed.

Maudofallhopefulness · 14/03/2016 20:59

Getting a Meningitis vaccine privately and paying for it is still getting an effective vaccine. It isn't like some shyster saying vaccines are poison thus leading to a rise in dangerous illnesses that should be wiped out in this day and age. Or those bullshitters who say they can cure cancer with baking soda and chemo is poison.

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bumbleymummy · 14/03/2016 21:06

Getting the single measles vaccine is also getting an effective vaccine. If it had been kept available on the NHS, more people would have been vaccinated against measles and we probably wouldn't have seen the recent outbreaks. Bad decision.

BertrandRussell · 14/03/2016 23:09

"Star- please wil you comment on your statement that SIDS in Japan dropped to zero when the vaccine schedule was changed.

BertrandRussell · 15/03/2016 00:28

"Plimsols you have no idea how many women have hard to pronounce, hard to spell, not very nice surnames!"

Yep, those pesky women's last names! Oh, and all those end of the line, interesting, men's names. And the names you can't hyphenate because they don't sound good together so the only option is the man's name...Grin

And what's with both names but no hyphen? That's the worst of all worlds.

It's just pure patriarchy at work, however it's dressed up.

BertrandRussell · 15/03/2016 00:29

Oops, wrong thread!

BertrandRussell · 15/03/2016 09:26

"Star- please wil you comment on your statement that SIDS in Japan dropped to zero when the vaccine schedule was changed."

bruffin · 15/03/2016 11:09

Sids did not drop to 0 in japan.Sids actually went up but because vaccines were not given until 2 , sids could not reported as a vaccine reaction. This is a myth put around by Veira Schreiber who is an anti vax nut and makes all sort of nonsense claims.

sugar21 · 15/03/2016 11:10

Nonsense costs lives

bruffin · 15/03/2016 11:18

Exactly Sugar
Consequences of japan moving vaccines was babies started dying of whooping cough.

bumbleymummy · 15/03/2016 11:57

When was this?

KatharinaRosalie · 15/03/2016 12:14

In 1974, Japan had a successful pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination program, with nearly 80% of Japanese children vaccinated. That year only 393 cases of pertussis were reported in the entire country, and there were no deaths from pertussis. But then rumors began to spread that pertussis vaccination was no longer needed and that the vaccine was not safe, and by 1976 only 10% of infants were getting vaccinated. In 1979 Japan suffered a major pertussis epidemic, with more than 13,000 cases of whooping cough and 41 deaths.

Why would someone say this about vaccines? Is it odd?