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Why would someone say this about vaccines? Is it odd?

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PuzzlingPanda · 09/03/2016 19:59

Was in a health food shop today and mentioned an ongoing issue I'm having with one of my do.

The man mentioned he thought the biggest thing going wrong with our children was all the vaccines they receive. He said they full of nasties, designed to make people ill.

It could be put down to a man having a pointless rant but why would he say this? Is there any sort of truth in it?

Not the first time I've heard negative things about vaccines.

Now I'm worried about it.

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leedy · 11/03/2016 16:28

"I was just sharing my experience"

Fair enough, but if you look at the actual non-anecdotal data sugar provided, it shows that the vast majority of people who got measles in Swansea were not vaccinated and that the vaccination appears to be very effective. There isn't "another side to it".

BertrandRussell · 11/03/2016 16:32

I'm assuming the "well known GP" is Richard Halvorsen?

shinynewusername · 11/03/2016 16:33

and you think the well known GPs I was referring to earlier who have gone into private practice

No, I think that there are a few unscrupulous doctors who put private income before ethics.

And it is not true that NHS GPs are rewarded for giving vaccines, apart from flu and pneumococcal jabs (the money funds the extra clinics in flu season - practices are lucky to break even). GPs are expected to give childhood vaccines as part of their standard contract payment, called the global sum. They can have money docked if they don't give the vaccines, but there is no payment for vaccinating any individual child.

pigeonpoo · 11/03/2016 16:36

I'm sure they have. That didn't stop them cashing in on people's fears.

There will always be people who believe that. I personally don't, I wouldn't have vaccinated at all without the service one offered at the time. I also don't think there was any other career option but to go private tbh once he'd publicly stated concerns

sugar21 · 11/03/2016 16:38

I believe in trying to help others, which is why I try to find things out.
I never want another Mum to see their child die like I did.
It's all consuming, I will never get over it.

My little Daisy may be alive if she was born at the right time.
Please do consider children do die.

I am a walking wikipeadia on meningitis, information I should have looked into before she died.

GreatFuckability · 11/03/2016 16:49

Sugar21 I am deeply and genuinely sorry for your loss. It is the most horrible thing as a parent watching your child fight for their life and I can't imagine how appaling it was for you that your child lost that fight.

For me, seeing the vaccine nearly kill my baby made me terrified of them and I felt and still feel stuck between two impossible choices. I am nor entirely happy with not having my children vaccinated, of course I'm not, I don't want my kids getting sick any more than anyone else does. But I'm equally afraid of them getting sick from the vaccines. I just don't see how people cant see that point of view too.

Atenco · 11/03/2016 16:56

sugar it is lovely that you are trying to help others, however...

I agree that we have to look after ourselves and our children to the best of our ability but when, despite our best efforts, bad things happen, we also have to accept that.

This is totally off-topic, but many years ago I met a man who was a professor of time and he was talking about the difference between how a midge that only lives for one day experiences time compared to us. I sometimes wonder of people who do not get to live their three score and ten years have maybe lived at a different rate from us. Maybe Daisy lived a full and satisfying life in her short span with you.

sugar21 · 11/03/2016 16:59

shiney seems like you are a GP so just wanted to tell you I have a superb GP who looks after me.
When Daisy became ill he got it right and said he was 99% sure she had menb, this was before the rash appeared.
I do think that people should know only 40% of cases have a visible rash until the sepsis sets in.
Like me you'll know how quickly this terrible disease takes a life. Daisy was in hospital from 5.30pm and died at 3.42 am.

sugar21 · 11/03/2016 17:09

I have no idea what to type next but there are some poems I have written on this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2554825-This-week-Mn-has-been-making-me-cry-Trigger-warning-added-by-MNHQ-contains-the-death-of-a-child

BertrandRussell · 11/03/2016 17:13

"But I'm equally afraid of them getting sick from the vaccines. I just don't see how people cant see that point of view too."

I can. It's for families like yours, where there appears to be a possibility of severe effects, that herd immunity is so very important.

bumbleymummy · 11/03/2016 17:19

The problem is that it's difficult to identify children like GreatFuckability's before they have the vaccine.

GreatFuckability · 11/03/2016 17:23

Exactly. There was no warning that we were at risk.

BertrandRussell · 11/03/2016 17:34

Yes,it's a bugger. You don't know if you're allergic to plasters or penicillin or aspirin until you're exposed to it.

Anything that works has side effects.

Alasalas2 · 11/03/2016 17:35

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shinynewusername · 11/03/2016 17:37

Glad to know that sugar21 though so sorry for your loss.

EddieStobbart · 11/03/2016 18:00

I got the results of a CT scan the other day. Apparently I've been exposed to TB at some point, consultant asked if I'd ever been to anywhere with a high rate of TB such as Africa - nope. Had a google when I got home to see if anywhere I had been to might have high rates and drew a blank so am assuming exposure was either in the UK or on holiday in the pretty run of the mill places I've visited.

I was vaccinated at school but they don't do that any more. If I can be exposed so easily, I'll definitely be looking to get my DCs vaccinated.

DanaBarrett · 11/03/2016 19:22

Both my girls have had BCGs I requested them as a family member has active TB. It's not a routine vaccination anymore, thanks to vaccination. Hubby had an MMR yesterday. I should really catch up with that one as it wasn't in my childhood programme.

bumbleymummy · 11/03/2016 20:37

Dana, the BCG is mainly given now to protect young children from TB meningitis, it isn't very effective against pulmonary TB. New vaccines for TB are currently being developed.

Andro · 12/03/2016 00:38

Alasalas2

I will not consent to future vaccines for my dc because that 'less than one in a million' was my DD. I made a decision based on science, I now live will no small amount of guilt (however misplaced) that my decision nearly killed one of my children. One in a million is very big, very real and utterly terrifying when your child is in ICU because they were that one.

I have always been, and still remain, pro vax...but any future choices will be made by my children when they are old enough.

Alasalas2 · 12/03/2016 01:51

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BertrandRussell · 12/03/2016 06:39

One child having a severe reaction (if it can be definitely linked to the vaccine) seems to me to be a good reason not to vaccinate siblings. Which is why maintaining herd immunity is so very important.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 12/03/2016 09:54

Interesting news re. Measles, especially as the outbreak seems to be mainly in adults. Time will tell, but could this be an example of waning vaccine immunity that was discussed up thread? If Measles is to be eliminated (and I believe that is an aim of the WHO), we need to think seriously about the mass vaccination of adults too.

bumbleymummy · 12/03/2016 10:43

I always find US articles about CP interesting- how they talk about it compared to how we talk about it in the UK.

Also, that article attributes the rise in WC cases to 'parents choosing not to vaccinate' when there are several studies showing that the increase is due to waning immunity from the aP vaccine.

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