To Think the Tories Are Actually At War With Disabled People?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

I've been mired in the grim process of my son's DLA being changed to the new benefit, PIP. During this time, I have heard the stories of other disabled people and their loved ones. This may make me biased. Or human.

On every forum I have been on for help, can see that thousand of other disabled people, their carers, appointees and loved ones are being pretty well tortured by the vicious cuts and the new, brutal system being forced into place.

Benefits advisers and people at charities in the front line trying to support people like us also seem to report they feel like the disabled are under attack.

Now I will never understand why the most disadvantaged people in society are being forced to pay for the mistakes of bankers and rich people. Losing DLA will be a blow to our family - most of all my son but all of us - we won't recover from. To multi millionaires like Campbell, no doubt it's back pocket change so they are incapable of understanding what they are doing to ordinary people.

The past few months going through this hell, I've often felt like we might as well cut to the chase, sew the lack triangle on our clothes, and wait for the work camp to open. And I don't say that lightly, as someone whose grandad was present during the liberation of Belsen. (Wasn't it another tory - Gove - who said historians got it wrong and the British were donkeys led by lions, or words to that effect - so we know the contempt in which we are held by these chinless wonders already).

AIBU to think that people like Cameron and IDS are targeting disabled people and their carers, specifically?

Where's there's a will - u d finitely have a will to cure my disability. Unfortunately there isn't a cure.
Your hopes are dashed I'm afraid.
I am a "true" disabled person and i am not being protected.
You've actually hit the nail on the head.
"True" disabled people aren't being protected because people like you believe there are "fake" disabled people.
I know a lot of disabled people. I don't know any •fake" ones.

Joffrey

I shall try to live with hope. I do feel very isolated actually and its horrible. I shall struggle onwards nevertheless...

Where The true disabled ?

Can you please point me to the list of who the true disabled are please ? It would be so helpful to know, due to the info you glean from your job, just what the facts are on the 'true disabled', based on your differing views.

Ffs.

Not everyone thinks cutting benefits is a bad idea
No they don't. But they don't have to make the decision between whether to eat or whether to heat, do they?
As for being privy to information due to your job, you're not privy to your neighbours information due to your job, that would in any context, be illegal. I doubt that you know many people who are 'messing', and as for being sanctioned, well, that's delightful isn't it, are you high up on the competition ladder for doling out sanctions? Do you know if it's a family with young children you're sanctioning, do you care?
As for making you laugh, I'm pleased for you. People like you, those with the empathy bypass, make me cry. Daily. More so when I'm cold. We've been cold quite a lot this year. I can't afford the heating. But you go ahead and laugh love, at least I know I'm making someone feel good...

You reported her for being fit for work with 'arthritis' ?

Well aren't you a delight.

So come on then, tell us the outcome. Was she found fit for work and placed on jsa ? Did you assess her ?

Well ? Come on, font of all knowledge.

PS. Its MrsVamos. HTH.

"We all know people though who are well enough to work."

No, "we" do not. As a social worker, I see many people too ill too work who force themselves to breaking point by working when it's not safe.

Secondly, it's not the type of disability that means you are unable to work but how it affects you. You probably knew that though.

On minimum wage here. We're only warm because the council cut down a 100 foot leylandi hedge and an old wooden fence of the same length and we have spent all weekend, every weekend, for weeks, sawing wood (by hand) so we have something to burn on the fire.

My husband works so hard he falls asleep when he gets in most evenings, as do his colleagues. And has sent all weekend chopping up wood so our kids are warm.

I think people who talk about 'cuts' have no idea how the other half live.

A cut to them would be one less holiday or one less bottle of wine a week.

All you twatty Tories, let's not forget who introduced sickness benefits in the first place and the reasons why.

'Knowing people' and 'living it' really are two VERY different things and as a social worker zaryiah will support this view I'm sure, even though she witnesses what her clients lives are like, she only knows a small percentage of what it is like. I doubt she lacks empathy though

The fraud rate for DLA is exceptionally small (0.7%)

wheretheresawill you do know PIP is for people both in and out of work? So it doesn't matter if your neighbour could work or not!

Owllady Of course it's different. Although, I have lived with a physical disability since childhood, so I have a better idea than some others. Even with my personal experience and my career knowledge, I would never be so presumptuous as to judge people's needs from a passing conversation over the garden fence.

Zaryiah :o

YY SinkingFeeling. The Somerset Levels turned blue again last year despite the way they were treated after the floods two years earlier.

Just realised I started this thread before this new cuts to PIP were announced.

Wonder what's next in their bag of tricks?

' we all know people well enough to work'

Well we all know someone who thinks they have a medical degree just by looking at someone and judging whether they look disabled enough.

We all know someone who thinks they are superior to others because they work and look down on others who don't , there are lots of reasons people can't work or don't work.
You know probably a snippet of their lives yet people like this think they can judge others.

Societys attitude today is every man for himself and it's depressing.

zaryiah In that case can we expect similar incidents to the Glasgow bin lorry crash?

Helena Well, I hope not but I do worry. The rising state mention age also makes me very worried. Even in an office based job, mistakes can have serious consequences. I can now only work part-time due to my health because I need to be on the ball. If I miss a notification that someone is due to discharged from hospital and don't get their care package re-started, that person might not make it into bed that night, eat a meal or take their vital meds. I'm lucky because I love my job and will do anything to keep working but it's really bloody hard. Healthy, able bodied people don't realise how much energy is takes to get through the day. :(

Well thank every idiot who voted for them its not the first time they picked on the poor. My mum told me they did this back in the day as well.
I didnt vote for them, if you did hang your head in shame.

Something like 70% of Brits eligible to vote did NOT vote Tory.

One of the pro cuts posters I forget who said it's either cuts or increase tax income. But increasing income from tax is something they're not even considering!

As well as poor and sick people I know higher rate tax earners and they're even appalled by the cuts and the extent of them and would be happy to pay more.

I also don't know ANYONE who thinks google etc shouldn't be paying what they owe.

The cuts are not about balancing the books it's ideological and discriminatory!

Zaryiah

Zariyah, I can empathise. My late sister had a chronic illness (she died very young) and it was very difficult for her to work, she did work but she had an understanding employer who didn't mind her taking time off, going home early, attending appointments, spells in hospital etc etc etc. Now as a carer and having seen how difficult I found it to work, how employers don't understand. Well, walk a day in someone else's shoes before judging. I am well enough to work (as a carer) I don't get enough support or earn enough to do so.

What cutting benefits does

Wow.

This sums it all up:

The DWP grant which funds 59.6% of the Motability Scheme’s running costs amounts to just £19.5m a year, to serve well over half a million sick and disabled people. Meanwhile, parliamentary expenses cost over £100m a year, to serve just over 600 MPs. If there were cuts which needed to be made, perhaps there was a better place for the axe to fall?

So - what are we doing? How can we strip MPs of their expenses? Cuts - er 'reform' needs to be made. How do a group of ordinary people go about exposing this and reinstating Motability for the thousands that need it, by directly taking it from MPs?

We should do this.

Joffrey, I'm in. Does anyone know how to start an online petition?

petition.parliament.uk
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/124016

Wording?

We the undersigned believe that before extensive reform is made which affects the poor, sick and disabled, MP's pay and conditions be reformed to reflect the actual wage and conditions of those on the national living wage. If it's enough for citizens to live on its enough for mps!