To Think the Tories Are Actually At War With Disabled People?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

I've been mired in the grim process of my son's DLA being changed to the new benefit, PIP. During this time, I have heard the stories of other disabled people and their loved ones. This may make me biased. Or human.

On every forum I have been on for help, can see that thousand of other disabled people, their carers, appointees and loved ones are being pretty well tortured by the vicious cuts and the new, brutal system being forced into place.

Benefits advisers and people at charities in the front line trying to support people like us also seem to report they feel like the disabled are under attack.

Now I will never understand why the most disadvantaged people in society are being forced to pay for the mistakes of bankers and rich people. Losing DLA will be a blow to our family - most of all my son but all of us - we won't recover from. To multi millionaires like Campbell, no doubt it's back pocket change so they are incapable of understanding what they are doing to ordinary people.

The past few months going through this hell, I've often felt like we might as well cut to the chase, sew the lack triangle on our clothes, and wait for the work camp to open. And I don't say that lightly, as someone whose grandad was present during the liberation of Belsen. (Wasn't it another tory - Gove - who said historians got it wrong and the British were donkeys led by lions, or words to that effect - so we know the contempt in which we are held by these chinless wonders already).

AIBU to think that people like Cameron and IDS are targeting disabled people and their carers, specifically?

And for you, Joffrey

< ((((hugs)))) all round offered too >

I wasn't putting anyone down who has defended the argument, I suppose I just find it frustrating from a personal point of view she is allowed to keep posting with an agenda and mnhq have always just ignored it and I do wonder if they would do that if it was aimed at another minority group.

Mrs V

Whilst you might disagree with poster's opinion it is that, she is entitled to it and using an"ist" like "phobia" to shout it down actually damages any argument you might bring. Surely the whole point of threads like these is to air the issues not shout down or insult.

I know Owl.

You just have to think of her as a true blue. She reminds us regularly that yes, there really are selfish, I'm alright jack cunts like her in the world.

And to avoid. Mostly.

She will be back to spout that 'we' voted for this, etc etc.

I just wish she'd stop speaking as if on behalf of the public.

I think if the truth be told she'd be horrified to realise most people - 'we' - don't think like her.

So insular it must be quite lonely really.

Don't you dare be embarrassed, Luis.

We've done threads like this for years together.

Its just so sad some people still find the bullshit easier to believe.

Ponty what damages an argument is ignoring any facts and bringing your opinion to the table without the relevant facts. But do continue, you're only making yourself look ill informed, not the rest of us.

It's insulting to suggest someone with a severe disability who qualifies for high rate care and mobility, doesn't require the support of the society in which they live in, in order to keep safe and well and less vulnerable. Again, if you don't get that, I'm not sure why you are posting. This thread was started by someone with an extremely vulnerable and severely disabled adult child. I post from the same position. By circumstance, I know more of the reality of the situation than someone looking in from the outside, to suggest you have any idea of the reality of the financial and care impact smacks of complete arrogance.

At least the true blue ignorant posts serve to inform us of what we have to deal with.
It is frightening but at least we know.
It's the I care against the o don't care.
The I think of all against the I think of myself first.
Those who think of all cannot possibly understand the selfish people. But I deeply dislike them.

I've just read through some of the other stories on those links.

It is disgusting that a young man with a learning disability had his benefit stopped for being 4 minutes late for his appointment, he couldn't tell the time.

Very true, candy.

Shouldn't have to be...and I agree, its terrifying.

I'm expecting that post to go poof actually.

Can't have someone being offended, can we...

I am it disputing the examples given here, they are personal, what I am saying is that there are examples of payments being made that are not justified in my opinion and that given the fact we have a debt problem as a country either the government collects more taxes or cuts spending. Spending cuts have already been made in the nhs, education, defence and welfare payments, libraries are becoming a rarity in some areas, childrens centres cut, grants to museums as well as other local services and these have been tough. We are now on another round of spending cuts and all areas are considered.

We all know people though who are well enough to work. I have a long standing illness- bipolar but work full time and don't claim. It's so very hard but I have to do it. It irritates me though when my neighbour with 'arthritis' offered to clean for me cash in hand- those are the types that need sorting.

what I am saying is that there are examples of payments being made that are not justified in my opinion

I didn't realise you were a qualified medical professional. What field of medicine is your speciality?

I don't value your opinion Ponty.

Speak for yourself, Wheretheresawill1.

I don't.

Why is your disability bipolar but your neighbours is 'arthritis' ?

You're privy to all their doctors appointments, assessments etc, are you ? Qualified to make such an outrageous claim, are you ?

Those in glass houses...

Ok, with that logic in mind, are you aware that children and adults with severe disabilities have already been affected by the cuts to the nhs, education, local authority care cuts? My friends son has had a major operation cancelled because he has a severe disability because they no longer carry it out on disabled children. Do you not think that smacks of a two tier system? Do you not feel that's unfair?

Housing benefit is the highest benefit paid out. Is it my daughter's fault thAT house prices are so high and rental values are at a very high threshold?

If you want to whinge about something, why don't you focus on people that do exploit people and the system. How about those landlords in jaywick for example that are getting £700 a month for sub standard 'housing' which was built to be temporary, housing some of the most vulnerable. Those landlords are exploiting people and making money off the taxpayer in the process. I really can't see how people with disabilities are doing that. I'm not exploiting anyone.

No, Wheretheresawill, we don't all know someone well enough to work.

I know lots of disabled people through my DH's support groups. None of them are faking. I know far, far more people who have been let down, utterly defeated or made worse by the system than I do people who are playing it.

And you know what? So fucking what if a few shysters are getting something they're not entitled to. It's a tiny minority and it's an acceptable price to pay to ensure the vulnerable have the safety net they should have. Sanction those individuals when they're caught and proven to be frauding the system, don't punish the genuine majority. Sledgehammer to crack a nut, much? Let's face it, if we chased down the corporate tax avoiders we'd claw back enough to pay the welfare bill three times over.

And you MrsVamos...

Any discussion of fraud etc is just sleight of hand/distraction from the real issue, of course, which is - we have a government that, for the first time in our history, has actively gone for some of the most vulnerable in society.

I suppose as they're presiding over the gleeful dismantling of the NHS, we shouldn't be surprised.

But forums like this are a place to let these politicians and their supporters know the real human cost of their dogma. And hopefully, as we get nearer to an election, we will have created enough of a ground-swell of information to change the climate and help people wake up and realise what has gone on, in their name.

I'm not shutting up or going away anytime soon and it's great to see that there's loads of us who feel like this. What's been happening can ake you feel very isolated and under siege.

You all make me laugh. You all turn against people with different views. I DO know people actually- quite a few AND I am privy to the info due to my job. I hope the true disabled are protected but I also hope those that I know are messing about are sanctioned ASAP. Not everyone thinks cutting benefits is a bad idea

Oh and vamous you totally miss the point. Ps I reported her for being fit to work with her 'arthritis'

I think the problem is that those who work resent those who don't.
Those who resent me, please take my disability and not work, and I'll take your fully functioning body and work.
I did work as a disabled person for 25yrs. It was important to me to work and contribute something valuable to society.
It's NOT my fault I was born with a genetic disorder.
And yet despite support from many highly qualified medical professors, the DWP is being an arse with me.
I am playing fair. I have done my part. I am being honest.
The DWP isn't.

I'm glad you find our situations funny, Wheretheresawill. Because that's what you'e doing, since our opinions and our impatience with those who deny our reality is based directly on our own situations.

Living with a disability or supporting someone with one is a fucking laugh a minute, it's true

Yes I agree that the nhs cuts have penalised the ill/those with a disability, education cuts have affected predominately those under 21, whilst the effects of other cuts have also affected different groups more than others. Unemployment and wage freezes have affected those who were or are in work has again been worse for some than others.

My son is, I can assure you, 'the true disabled'. As are the vast, vast majority (over 99%) of people who got DLA.

I know someone who fought for this country (and been seriously wounded - twice), has PTSD, recently was in and out of hospital with a life threatening illness - who has never claimed any disability benefits. He was on Job Seekers Allowance, and forced to do one of those ridiculous little slave labour 'jobs' or he'd have been sanctioned. That is someone you tories would wave the flags at when you were watching him leave to fight for you, so your leader could screech "Rejoice!" at the cameras and get votes from the naive.

Maybe to spite these vile creatures in power, we should make sure the thousands of people like him who have never claimed any disability benefits, claim.