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Adult Children At Home - Other Parents' Experiences Please

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GreyterGood · 09/03/2016 12:58

Having survived all of my children's childhood without Mumsnet, I have just signed up because I can't cope with their adulthood...

3 sons, ages 21, 23, 24. Living At Home with Mum (that's me; plus my partner of five years; middle son currently away for a year overseas) in London. The oldest could afford to live elsewhere. The youngest is saving for uni in September, working minimum wage, and therefore stuck.

Blow up this morning - I'd been in bed yesterday with a flu-type bug, feverish etc. No extra help. 'But I made you a cup of tea', sayeth one. I'd asked them to make sure dishes done and dishwasher emptied/re-filled by end of day, before I went off to bed. This morning: nothing. 'We Forgot'. By mutual agreement? Both? I got them out of bed and they duly did what had been asked. But at a lot of energy expense from me, and bad feeling engendered. Complaints about injustice from youngest and hectoring sarcasm from oldest son.

Now I wonder whether people could help me get perspective about my older son's claims.
Which are:

  • that all of his friends, ages 21-26ish, are still living at home
  • & that they talk to their own parents much more rudely and unkindly than my sons do to me
  • & that none of these friends have to do any housework or make any contribution to the welfare of the house, ever
  • & that everyone else can do as they please, that there are no house rules (I introduced, over time, some rules in specific response to the way certain things affected my work from home and home life in general).
  • oh, & that I've 'lost the plot' as shown by 'unrealistic' expectations.

Is my son right in some or all of this? Do the majority of other older parents have their 20-somethings (& beyond) living at home? Happily or unhappily? Is the situation due to lack of other options for the young person? Do other still-at-home 20-somethings truly Do Nothing by way of contribution? Is having to fight for getting the dishes and other help done normal? Is poor behaviour in response to requests for picking up their own (let alone other) rubbish the order of the day? Do other people feel treated as if an annoying intruder in their own home?

Having a better idea of what other people in a similar situation experience would be great. I guess a survey could be useful too. So if anyone knows of a sociological treatment of this sore topic, a link would be appreciated. Meantime, individual experience is direct, and it would be so helpful to hear how it is for you!

Thank you.

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Maryz · 09/03/2016 22:33

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TheBouquets · 09/03/2016 22:35

This thread has made me think seriously about what is going on around me. I agree that adult children should contribute in so many ways to the house to realistically show that they are ready to take on the title "adult" such as financial contributions and practical contributions (housework garden or whatever is needed or what they are good at.
There is also the question of how the young people treat the parents. There seems to be a lack of respect and understanding. There is a feeling of entitlement too which seems to grate on me. The young people seem to take it as read that they know better than the parents even if the parents have been around for a lot longer. I have noticed something on another thread and combined with this thread and RL situations I am not impressed with the conduct

Chocolatteaddict1 · 09/03/2016 22:44

maryz Grin

puzzledbyadream · 09/03/2016 22:47

I"m the same age as your oldest and I moved back home for 6 months after I left uni and then stayed for a month before I moved out for good. I was expected to pay rent regardless of whether I was working and at the very least helped with the washing up and feeding the cat. Tea was a good way to get on my stepdad's good side so I made quite a lot of cups!

None of my friends live with their parents, we all live in either houseshares or bedsits or with partners and scrape by. Barring the one who's a nuclear sub engineer, none of us will manage to buy a house any time soon. But for me, spending my twenties independently is far more important right now. I live on the other side of the country to my parents and alongside the fact I dondon't have the option to move back home, I wouldn't go back to living with either of them.

Current pet project is persuading my sister that at 21 and with a full time job she could definitely move out of my dad,s house. Smoking and having a car are far more important though it seems.

TheBouquets · 09/03/2016 23:06

Maryz = Good Idea leaving the young ones and moving back with your own DM. I wonder if I would have better luck than you! {smile}

SoThatHappened · 09/03/2016 23:16

Blow up this morning - I'd been in bed yesterday with a flu-type bug, feverish etc. No extra help. 'But I made you a cup of tea', sayeth one. I'd asked them to make sure dishes done and dishwasher emptied/re-filled by end of day, before I went off to bed. This morning: nothing.

They are taking the absolute piss.

However, if they were not living at home, there would have been no one there to make you a cup of tea or to ask to do the dishes in any event while you were ill.

You can at least give them a kick up the ass while they do live at home to help.

Valentine2 · 09/03/2016 23:19

Wow. That sounds like your DS1 has some sort of entitlement issues. Tell him to grow the fuck up right away. Stop cooking for them each and every day. Make a schedule of all chores with justice and stick it to the fridge. No way in hell I will accept this behaviour from my DCs and I am not your generation even. They either contribute or can go and live wherever their "independence" is not being raided.
Sorry OP, but have you pampered them a lot? This could nt have happened out of blue for sure. How come they are in 20s without contributing in house chores? My mom would have kicked me out had I been like that.

DramaAlpaca · 09/03/2016 23:23

I've three adult sons. The 22 year old and 18 year old live at home. The 21 year old is living away from home and supporting himself.

The two at home are generally helpful, they'll make meals and keep the place tidy. They will empty and fill the dishwasher and do the hoovering. They don't seem to notice that stuff needs doing in the house, but willingly do it if they are asked. I sometimes leave a list of things for them to do and they will decide between themselves who'll do what - first one who sees the list gets the easiest jobs!

They are almost always nice to me & DH, we have the usually family irritations but generally get on OK. They are never deliberately rude or sarcastic - and would get short shrift if they were.

DS1 would like to move out, but isn't earning enough yet, so for now he's here and we like having him around.

Maryz · 10/03/2016 09:26

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DramaAlpaca · 10/03/2016 10:37

Agreed Maryz, it's often "reluctantly" rather than "willingly" Grin.

And yes, I'm the only one in the family who notices that we need loo rolls or milk before we actually run out!

PennyDropt · 10/03/2016 10:47

Well, I don't think it's your fault.

Most or many people give the chance to be waited on, have meals layed on, spend their free time doing fun things, not housework, will take that opportunity.

If my teenage DCs started the 'everyone else ' has/does/doesn't do blah blah it made me absolutely more determined that whatever they are avoiding they WILL DAM WELL DO.

Do you work OP?

If you do I would fight tooth and nail to make sure they DAM WELL DO IT. Think of their poor future wives if nothing else.

It's hard work for you - making them do stuff - but at least you aren't left with the seething annoyance at the unfairness of it all, which is not good for your health imo.

BestZebbie · 10/03/2016 11:43

Not a parent of adults but not too long out of the adult child demographic:

  • It is very normal for adult children to live at home in a similar way to the way they lived at home during sixth form/college until around the end of the summer after they graduate from university. This would include not necessarily paying rent/financial contribution, and not taking on a full another 'adult sharing the house' type role in chores (this isn't the same as 'no chores at all'). However, this is 'paid for' by having to live in a continued infantilised state - restrictions on hometimes, having partners to stay, what food to eat and when, limited access to transport, parental oversight on all aspects of life, etc.
  • It is unfortunately increasingly common to stay longer than the above, but usually at that stage the adult child gets a job and pays rent to the householder...although it is reasonably common for some of that rent to be put aside and saved on their behalf and then given back as a lump sum to help 'set them up' when they leave home a few years later (obviously not if the household actually needs the money to function).
Families would be variable in the chore division - some leave the adult child entirely to their own devices but expect them to pull their weight on a equal basis as they might in a house-share, others still try to allocate tasks as with a child or fence off certain tasks that have to be done in a certain way etc. At this stage the adult child would not usually be subject to as many house rules as during the previous stage - their position would be more like an unrelated lodger and so basic rules about not breaking things etc would apply but they shouldn't be getting 'parented' any more!
Evelight · 10/03/2016 14:09

Wow. My youngest brother aged 25 lives at home- he's a full time grad student- and although there were moments when I think my parents were barmy/soft/blind with love for putting up with it (he plays the guitar, and he can be quite rude on occasion to my mom)- as time has passed I have come to appreciate it more and more: over the past two years he has really matured, and taken much more of a caretaking role than he used to. Last year my DF had a major surgery and right now my DM is in hospital for various checkups and things, and honestly I don't know how they would have coped if my young DB hadn't been there, taking over full driving/shopping responsibilities, as well as a fair amount of light cleaning/cooking.
So now, when he talks about leaving in Sept 2016, i feel a mild panic attack and wonder how my parents will cope.

But this is clearly not your situation at all: the problem isn't that your sons are living with you ("it's the economy, stupid"), it's that they are thoughtless, inconsiderate, demanding and rude. If they contributed to household affairs in some meaningful way (I don't mean just financially!), then this would absolutely not be an issue.

GreyterGood · 10/03/2016 15:11

Thank you for all the additional feedback; it's very helpful to see how other people see this. All the comments from people at my son's end of the age spectrum are so helpful for getting an fresh insight from the Youth angle. What's clear is that almost invariably Young Adults At Home (shall we call them YAAHs?) are expected to and do contribute in a range of ways. And that domestic quality of life seems generally fairly harmonious for both generations. Which confirms what I knew, really: that my sons' behaviour in recent years really is beyond acceptable by common standards - so it's not just me.

To answer some of the questions:
Yes, I do work, part time, and crucially - from this home. Which makes the need for cooperative help from young people that much greater. People come here to see me, so the need for presentable common areas is paramount - often leaving me forced to pick up after everyone, in these recent circumstances.

From their early years, I made sure my children did 'their bit', increasing gradually as they got older. As I said in an earlier post - I always had in mind their possible future partners, and was keen that the boys would become competent at all aspects of housework, cooking, cleaning etc. I really did think about all these things very carefully, and knew I had to work hard to make it happen, as their father made it clear he wasn't going to back me up on anything from when they were tiny. He 'walked' when they were between 4 and 8.

They were fine when younger. It's only in the last few years that things have become really difficult. Basically since my oldest came back from uni and spent a year unemployed/trying to find a job that suited his - all too high - expectations. He eventually 'compromised' and took a job 'beneath' him, but during that initial year his behaviour deteriorated. It hasn't recovered. Then his brother came out of a long, demanding training scheme and wanted to catch up on missed party time - right here, in this house, with his mates. I like young people around, and they have nice friends. But partying midweek till small hours, leaving beer cans everywhere? Asking for moderation gave no results over time, so I finally had to ban drinking at home except Fri/Sat. They are still outraged.

I think poster MaryZ said she may have to accept living in a student house. I too have been feeling just like 'it's a student house with annoying adults in it' - but my take is that this is unacceptable (plus I work here). So it's not student digs and the conflict arises because these sons try to live as if it were.

I don't mind being the only one who notices the loo rolls running down etc. I don't mind having to be 'The Manager' and delegating. But if the response is disrespect, lack of co-operation, and reasonable asks become stressful for me, then things have clearly gone to far.

After reading everyone's comments, it is even more opaque to me why it's happened like this.

UPDATE:

We asked the oldest son to move out last night. It was a bitter conversation, and my son showed all the worst traits, being extremely rude and sarcastic particularly to my partner. Plenty of 'family dynamic' stuff being played out there, clearly. In spite of his meanness, we gave him a month to find a place. On condition he switches off the sarcasm and rudeness, and continues to do his bit. But this morning, when only i was here, he carried on in the same toxic vein. I think he either can't help himself, or he's trying to drive me/us to instant ejection (perhaps so he can maintain a position of 'victim'). So now I'm weeping into my porridge over the loss of the sweet boy this son once was.

So sad. But thanks for all the comments, because it strengthened my resolve and confirmed what I really already knew.

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madein1995 · 10/03/2016 15:22

I'm 20 go home from uni during the holidays and will probably be moving back home to live for a bit while I find a job, and work for a bit to make sure it's secure, before finding a houseshare or something. I don't work (difficult to find jobs in my home or uni town that are part time, and over summer, only summer jobs) so don't pay rent but I do contribute in other ways.

I do some of the washing/ironing/pegging the clothes out/walking the dog/hoovering etc while I'm home as mum works full time and dad tries his best but having spent the last 60 years never lifting a finger (housework wise, he used to work and mam stayed at home), he does need help/showing how to do things. I also cook tea for me and dad, and always save some for mam if she wants it (I text her each day saying what me and dad are having and does she want to me to save her any), although quite often she'll grab something quick out like a mcdonalds, on her way home for work. We argue sometimes, everyone does, but we tend to muddle on quite well. When I've moved back home after uni and am working I'll definitely be paying my way a lot more, financially.

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/03/2016 15:32

This morning sounds grim Sad GreyterGood. That sweet boy may not be lost forever, being his own household may well wake him up to how good he had it and how much it's his own fault. A year down the line your sweet boy may reappear, albeit sheepishly.

OurBlanche · 10/03/2016 16:12

That does sound grim I suppose you can only have something like this, on repeat, in your head or out loud:

When you were a child, I treated you like a child, washed your clothes, tidied up after you and provided everything you needed. But, son, you are a man now... time to shape up or ship out. Lots of love, your very tired but still loving, mother

Ughnotagain · 10/03/2016 16:53

Oh OP, that's so sad.

I hope that in time he matures and realises how badly he's been treating you.

ILoveWillSmith · 10/03/2016 17:03

You have my full sympathy op, we told our oldest ds (age28) to move out a few months ago. He was still living like a teenager and had the attitude to go with it! It was really difficult because he really made us feel guilty and that we were bad parents but we stuck to our guns and it was honestly the best thing we ever did - for all of us.
He's now settled in his own flat - which he keeps very clean and tidy! - and is so much more mature and generally a nicer person.
We now get on really well and he invites us over for Sunday lunch occasionally! Good luck xx

Janeymoo50 · 10/03/2016 17:03

An ex colleague of mine (female, fast approaching 38, yes 38), still lives at home as does her younger (35) brother. Pays a pittance in "keep" and by her own admission does not know how to use the washing machine. Oh and has £116k in the bank.
Parents fault.

OTheHugeManatee · 10/03/2016 17:28

I think the deterioration in their attitude can be laid at your ex's door. You've said he has a contemptuous and mosogynistic attitude and my guess is his sons are trying it in for size.

Well done for kicking him out, OP. He needs to learn that treating women like staff is not to be tolerated or he'll be like that with every girlfriend, forever.

IJustLostTheGame · 10/03/2016 17:45

I moved back go me when 24 for a few months to save up for moving out after uni.
My mum did the cooking as watching me diligently burn stuff stuff frazzled her. And she doesn't like people in her kitchen.
She also did the washing as it was easier but it was a case of 'I'm doing whites/coloureds and theres space so bring yours down'. I also did my own if needed.
But I paid rent once I got a job.
And did my ironing.
And told her when I would be out.
And asked if people could come over on a weekend.
And contributed to the housework, bought bread etc.

comingintomyown · 10/03/2016 17:51

Interesting thread and firstly sorry you feel upset today , I understand.

Like you I've always made my two teens do chores and linked to them receiving their allowance and it's worked out ok ish. DS had a little spell at almost 18 of being grumpy about helping around the house which then morphed into the sort rudeness you've described and hard as it was I told him to move out to his Dad's because I wouldn't tolerate being spoken to like that. He was gone two weeks and when he came back things were better.

Now he will do whats asked of him but VASTLY over estimates his contribution and if I give him a list of things which may take say 30 minutes to do he grumbles. However overall I can't complain and he pays rent without question. I saw he wouldn't be going to University and knew I needed to have him in line or I would just resent him for being here

In your shoes I would put on a tough front and see through asking him to move out and as you say that will send a message to your youngest. It's depressing though how lazy and entitled kids can be and that actually if you never asked them to do a single thing then they would cheerfully not do a single thing

ridemesideways · 10/03/2016 18:06

I'm weeping into my porridge over the loss of the sweet boy this son once was.

It's not your fault he's unhappy with his life and takes it out on you. Don't put up with verbal abuse all month though.

Hopefully he'll come around after a period of self-pity. And be terribly ashamed of himself.

Maryz · 10/03/2016 18:08

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