To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

imho that the ad was commissioned by a campaign that covers domestic violence by either sex means it probably should have been more overtly generic rather than seeming to focus on male on female DV.

Nobody is saying that abuse against men never happens, or that it shouldn't be addressed. But the problem is that dv against men only ever seems to be brought up when anti-feminists want an excuse to derail discussions about female victims of dv (who represent the overwhelming majority).

A lot of statistics would say that it is 100 women killed to 30 men. And let's not forget that men are ridiculed for talking about having been abused and women are almost never prosecuted when a man is brave enough to speak to.

The notion of the "evil man" is certainly sexist. Ah unhealthy relationship almost always has unhealthy behaviour in both partners which grows in an unhealthy pattern.

I find the level of abuse on this thread towards y chromosome victims to be extraordinary.

What is notable about the advert is how gendered it is. "It's not right to tell your girlfriend what to wear". That's the first point and it's a ridiculous one.

One of the first aspects of control a woman seeks is over a man's appearance. Women discuss this and think it is entirely normal and " for his own good ". Which it isn't. It's an issue of women's power and appearance amongst their peer group.

Although this can be done in a largely non abusive manner, many women belittle men into their own clothing choices, taking away any limited freedom that man has had in clothing compared to women. It is accepted and normal - men are not allowed to resist. Even they will find their favourite clothes simply disposed of.

And women laugh about this. They laugh about these actions.

So when the advert starts off with " it's not okay to tell your girlfriend what to wear " - a lot of men who have had their confidence and self worth crushed will feel hurt and bemused. Men don't really tell women what to wear. We know. Women are nerds for clothes. We try to avoid the issue.

I really do find the level of abuse towards men on this thread quite extraordinary. If anyone responds with threats or profanity or belittlement - I will report them

Threats? What are we going to threaten you with?
Profanity? Meh.
Belittlement? What, after a post containing the fabulous line "men dont really tell women what to wear"

Okay, i'll stick with No Comment. :)

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Hikksta99 Can you quote the abuse aimed at men? It's a long thread and I am not sure what you are referring to.

You say "One of the first aspects of control a woman seeks is over a man's appearance. Women discuss this and think it is entirely normal and " for his own good "." Some women may well do this, and I think we can agree that being controlling is wrong, whoever is doing it. But, you have no way of knowing that women do this generally and that it is accepted as normal and discussed as such between women. You may have had experience of this, but that dosn't make it true for everyone.

The rest of your post continues with stereotypes about women e.g. "Women are nerds for clothes" - some are, not all. I couldn't care less about clothes. Lots of men take great care in their clothes and appearance.

Is it impossible to imagine that a man in a controlling relationship with a woman might hear the line "it's not okay to tell your girlfriend what to wear", and conclude that if that's the case then it isn't ok to tell thim what to wear either?

I actually found the whole campaign to be gender neutral where it needed to be, and to use the majority gender in places when using specific examples. That seems to be a practical approach to me.

Profanity is allowed, hikksta. So fucking sorry to fucking well disappoint you there, but Mumsnet's byline is:

Oh you know, that website, for parents. No, not that one, the other one. With the biscuits. And the swearing.

Pisstaking and humour are also allowed - but the MRA don't seem very good at that.

Ha yes - "Is it impossible to imagine that a man in a controlling relationship with a woman might hear the line "it's not okay to tell your girlfriend what to wear", and conclude that if that's the case then it isn't ok to tell thim what to wear either?"

Do you think men are stupid? Because we (speaking for feminism here ) certainly credit men with more intelligence than that

What, like, "Men's Right to Wear Superman Underpants" you mean, Slugs?

Now, now, you don't want to get reported for belittling do you? (where is that rule in the talk guidelines? Must have missed it...)

That's right slugs. Women never ever get laughed at or ridiculed, do they?

y chromosome victims is just fabulous, though, isn't it?

Now, now (again) slugs, hikksta99 might not be a male, it doesnt say so in the post...

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It does remind me of that quote though - "men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them."

I forget who said it now. Was it Margaret Atwood?

I'm convinced some people commenting on the (not very good I'll admit) advert are watching a different one to me. Either that or they're seeing what they want to see (the y-chromosomed are sooooo discriminated against because we are being nasty to them).

Oh I forgot to be profane and belittling - I can only imagine those that have such ridiculous paranoia are totally fuckwitted cockwombles.

of course it goes on.. ftr i have a close male relative who was abused by his spouse who was a very typical narcissist. She controlled what he wore (right down to refusing to allow him to replace worn out pants), who he saw, where he went, the job he was allowed to do.. she was physically, mentally, financially and emotionally abusive for their entire marriage.

It doesn't look well on people to minimise that goes on, it does.

BUT, it still doesn't undo the simple fact the majority of DV is man to women.

I still think the advert should have been gender neutral though.

Men don't really tell women what to wear. We know. Women are nerds for clothes. We try to avoid the issue.

Hikksta please don't conflate what you may or may not do with what men as a whole do. I could line up a thousand women who have been bullied and negged and pushed into wearing particular things and not wearing other things by their male partners, and I would be at the top of the list.

at y chromosome victims

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One of the first aspects of control a woman seeks is over a man's appearance. Women discuss this and think it is entirely normal and " for his own good ". Which it isn't. It's an issue of women's power and appearance amongst their peer group.

WTAF is this latest one on about?

Your argument is fatally floored.

a lot of statistics would say that it is 100 women killed to 30 men. And let's not forget that men are ridiculed for talking about having been abused and women are almost never prosecuted when a man is brave enough to speak to.

A lot of statistics say MRAs are 90% fuckwit

A lot of statistics prove a lot of things.

www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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Dh has star wars boxer shorts

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I have never tried to control what he wears ( it would have been a major fail if i had!!)

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Not all women control what their partners wear

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Men should be able to watch an advert that uses a femaie example and say "that happens to me" in the same way that women have to ALL THE FUCKING TIME

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If a drink driving advert uses a male driver i am going to assume it doesn't relate to women

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Domestic violence affects both men and women, but not equally

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