To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

Why must you turn to childish behaviour to create your points for your argument? Firstly, the 'fucking idiots' remark was a mistake, it would be hypocritical of me to accuse women on here of not being able to hold a rational debate and then resort to that, im trying to debate the issue, not have an arguement.

Another point I want to clarify is that I do not hold men's issues above women, I never said men have it harder in life or women should be slaves to men or any other extreme thing some of you (not all, thanks for anyone who hasn't) are resorting to. Saying men have dicks for brains, are all Rapists, saying I advocate rape.. Saying I should decided if a woman can have an abortion.. I never said any of this, just because there are more women on a site called 'mums net' means you can fling out more loud noises than me, please, debate what I say, not push it to the extreme to find something to call me a male pig on.

Men are 11x more likely to die at the workplace
Women are 2x as likely to be accepted into university's and high paying STEM subjects and jobs
99.9% of combat deaths and casualties are inflicted on men
Men are 5x more likely to commit sucide
Men have just a 15% chance of winning custody of children.
Men are 3x more likely to be homeless
Men get more than 2x longer prison sentences for the same crimes.

I'm fine with breast cancer campaigns as their are testicular cancer campaigns.
I am happy with domestic abuse campaigns when they recognise that men are abused too.

Finally, yes a woman can rape a man. The hypo racy in the woman telling me to 'Google it' and 'are you familiar with uk law' should take her own advice. If a woman helps a man rape another man or women then she is guilty of rape, whilst not physically doing any sexual act. I would also ask that your ethics would still consider a women innocent of rape even if she did rape a man without his convent simply because it isn't 'enshrined in uk law'.

Oh, and not all abortions are women simply changing their minds. I believe a planned child should never be aborted. A child can be born from rape or unplanned pregnancy, both of which would not be a woman changing her mind. The gender wage gap is from the average pay of women, not the average pay of women in specific fields. Women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs and/or be a stay at home parent. Just because they pay less doesn't make them less legitimate options. It also means when you say in the same post the gender wage gap is a problem and also say women take care of the children while men are at work you massively contridict yourself.

Women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs

Finally, yes a woman can rape a man

Not under British law, unless she has a penis. I quoted the relevance offences under the 2003 Act to you. If a woman forced a man (or another woman) into a sexual act without consent, she would be guilty of the relevant offences under the Act. What are you finding so challenging about this?

Women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs and/or be a stay at home parent. Just because they pay less doesn't make them less legitimate options.

Why do you think women make those 'choices'? Why don't men make those choices?

It also means when you say in the same post the gender wage gap is a problem and also say women take care of the children while men are at work you massively contridict yourself.

No dear. Wrong on several counts. First, yes women are penalised for being more part time. Why do you think women take more part time roles, and why do you think part time roles pay less? Second, there are numerous studies of full time work at various points in their careers. Only at the very start of their careers did women in full time, comparable roles out earn men, or even have parity. Women who have never had children also earn less than their male counterparts in comparable roles.

Third, why do you think 'women's jobs' pay less than 'men's jobs'?

Once gender pay reporting is mandatory in two years' time we'll have some really crunchy data to play with, though I'm sure companies will do their best to massage it.

So it's OK to call people 'fucking stupid ' if you're the one making a mistake, and then it's unreasonable of them to mind? Looks like I need a new etiquette book.

Hi Zigoow. Would you mind sharing where you got your list of statistics from, thank you.

I believe a planned child should never be aborted.

What? Even one whose birth would cause the death of the mother or who had a condition incompatible with life?

Many couples in those situations have aborted their much-wanted children and will continue to, along with women who just change their minds, if that's okay with you.

I'd just love to know how Zigoow plans to have women prove they were raped in order to access abortion. Or are we going to have to sign 'planned baby sex agreements' before any sexual act? Or, radical idea, we could give women rights over their own fucking bodies. When you can teleport a fetus from an unwilling woman, with no health implications at all for her into a willing male partner's body, then we can talk. Until then, I'd rather women got to choose whether they continue a life-threatening process.

Zigaloo.

Is this a GCSE project of yours?

If a woman helps a man rape another man or women then she is guilty of rape

Care to back that up?

I was serious just now, but I'm more comfortable with sending up zigoow and whatever magic word mangling device he is using to communicate with us.

I would also ask that your ethics would still consider a women innocent of rape even if she did rape a man without his convent

Fucking nuns. Always off God bothering. Never around when you need them to fend off rapists for you.

It's true that more men than women commit suicide.

However what you have to remember zigoow is that actually committing suicide and attempting suicide are two different things.

Men may commit suicide more often than women, however women attempt suicide more often than men do.

When men want to kill themselves they tend to use more violent methods to do so, e.g jumping from heights, hanging, etc. This is likely down to the fact that men tend to be more violent than women.

When women want to kill themselves they tend to use less lethal methods, e.g overdose which gives them a chance to be found and taken to hospital before they can do any long term damage.

Women are 2x as likely to be accepted into university's and high paying STEM subjects and jobs

And men absolutely do not

get more than 2x longer prison sentences for the same crimes.

I don't understand how people cant see that a lot of problems specific to gender say like the high male suicide rate, are caused by misogyny. Just as much as problems women face, men face problems stemming from the ingrained low view of femininity. Why do you think a lot of men wont talk about their problems? wont go to the doctors? don't even develop the language and insight into their own emotions to be able to express them healthily? because of a low view of femininity, that anything traditionally feminine is weak or frivolous. Talking about your feelings is traditionally associated with femininity.
And do you honestly think that its a gift that women get assumed responsilibilty for children over men? That stems from the view that it is womens duty to care for their children but in a mans life it is just an option. For example if a woman did not have custody of her children but just saw them once in a while a large portion of society would immediately assume she had done something wrong, that she was a bad mother, there must be some reason why the children didn't live mainly with her..... compare this to a man who only sees his kids every weekend. He would be considered no less of a dad. Womens responsibility is assumed. Its ingrained in society that women should care the most, that they are the people children should be with. That's no gift to women its a restraint. Nor is it a gift to men either.
Work traditionally associated with women is not as valued as 'masculine' work. Rather than being seen as something of value and worthy of respect and reward it instead seen as an integral duty of a woman. Again this hurts both sexes as men can find that if they want to be stay at home dads etc they get ridiculed by some people. Theres also this whole attitude that it is in some way not 'real work' and a soft option... again because its traditional 'womens work'.
Men are just as trapped by misogyny as women so if you really cared about that youd do much better to get with the program and become a feminist. Or realise you already were one and just didn't understand what it meant.

Saying men have dicks for brains, are all Rapists, saying I advocate rape.. Saying I should decided if a woman can have an abortion..

You need to quote this, as I haven't seen it.

just because there are more women on a site called 'mums net' means you can fling out more loud noises than me, please, debate what I say, not push it to the extreme to find something to call me a male pig on.

'Loud noises?' The only 'shouting' and abuse on here has come from the male posters.
And we have been debating. People are allowed to pick up on points you make and question them you know - that's what debate is.
They're your words. You wrote them. Have a read back maybe?

And, where DO you get your stats?
I must comment on this one though -

99.9% of combat deaths and casualties are inflicted on men

That's because us poor silly women are NOT ALLOWED to fight on the front line. Too weak, and let's face it, we'd probably be thinking about knitting or kittens or what to do for dinner.
But yes, this sexist exclusion of women is terribly unfair on the men who choose to join the forces.

I'm fine with breast cancer campaigns as their are testicular cancer campaigns

Oh, that's good to know

Re the rape thing, you really do need to read up on the law.
Women can be convicted of sex offences which carry the same penalties as rape, but they CANNOT be convicted of rape, because rape is forcing a penis into someone without their consent. THAT IS WHAT RAPE IS. And women do not have penises.

I believe a planned child should never be aborted.

And you are, of course, entitled to your belief. But it is not up to you what a woman does with her own body.

Women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs and/or be a stay at home parent.

Do you believe this? Do you honestly, honestly believe this? It's depressing.
You do know that women are routinely paid less for doing the same job as men? Do they choose that too?

I'm actually lost for words.

Nope, speechless.

'Women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs'

Prick.

Houseeveryweekend I'm pretty much with you apart from the feminist part. I don't think you have to be a feminist to be an equal rights advocate. Third wave feminism is detached from equality, in my opinion.

Posiereturningparker and limitedperiodonly seem to be the ones spurting sarcasm and petty comments, for people actually stating facts and opinions, I'll be more than happy to reply.

Women attempt suicide 3x more often than men, with men committing suicide (white men only) are 4x more likely to actually die. Both are extreemely bad problems that need to be solved, but remember, the majority of attempted suicides are not actual attempts on their own life.. Although it is a very major indication it will lead to such. Saying men commit suicide more often because 'they are more aggressive' isn't true, this is your own interpretation of the data and doesn't take into account the fact suicide attempts aren't legitimate attempts on their own life in a lot of cases. Anyway, this is irrelevant, I'm lost on the point we are arguing at this point. I'm simply trying to show that men face problems in society too, as some women like the two above claim men have it easy in life.

Yes, women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs. Again, please stop skewing my facts. When I say women are 2x as likely to get into stem university subjects, that is in no way a claim that 2x as many women attend university, where on earth do you keep getting these ideas from? Please, stop, it's tuning any sort of civilised discussion going on here. The point is women are given plenty of opportunities to enter STEM subjects, many more opportunities than men. Women simply choose not to attend these opportunities. If a woman is aware that she is earning less than her male counterpart, clearly a lot of them do for you to be able to claim that they earn less, then they should report the fact to HR or start a lawsuit against the company. It's illegal, any woman with a high enough intelligence to be in such a high paid job should surely know this. Rufustheraindeer, your statement is literally one sentence stating what is most likely your opinion. Unless you have facts to back up what your saying, please, join the list.

I will show the sources of my facts, could you ask which ones you want specifically? It would take quite a while to source every fact, since I'm actually using them.

Yes, women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs. Again, please stop skewing my facts.

YOUR facts? Your facts.

Please, stop, it's tuning any sort of civilised discussion going on here.

If a woman is aware that she is earning less than her male counterpart, clearly a lot of them do for you to be able to claim that they earn less, then they should report the fact to HR or start a lawsuit against the company. It's illegal, any woman with a high enough intelligence to be in such a high paid job should surely know this.

Shit the bed, are you even real? How do you go about your daily life?

Posiereturningparker and limitedperiodonly seem to be the ones spurting sarcasm and petty comments, for people actually stating facts and opinions, I'll be more than happy to reply.

Newsflash, you arrogant fucker: we're not all sitting here waiting for your manly view on the world. We were getting by perfectly fine before you came.

So you're going to deign to bestow the gift of your replies on the worthy few?
You're hilarious.

Here's my reply - FTFOTTFSOFATFOSM. You goady fucking fucker.

Will that do?

Ziggow its about addressing the negative view of femininity.... that's why its called feminism and not just equality. Its to address a specific issue that really does need addressing for the reasons I have specified so im sorry but if you really do agree you are in fact a feminist.

For example gay people.... they have all the same rights under law as straight people. So by your logic that would mean job done. No need to talk about gay rights then. But its not s simple as that is it. Its about ingrained views in society. Obviously a lot of these thing intersect but there is a need to address specific things rather than just 'make sure everyone has equal rights' Its sadly not that simple because of historical power dynamics, ingrained views and discrimination that happens every day but is not illegal.
Women have the right to work in any sector... it doesn't mean they are going to... women have the right to vote it doesn't mean they are going to... and is that out of choice? it may seem so from a casual glance but actually theres more going on isn't there.
Is it an active choice you make as a man not to wear a dress outside every day? Or is it something ingrained in you an attitude that you didn't realise you held but is none the less there that prevents you from making a true choice?

Posiereturningparker and limitedperiodonly seem to be the ones spurting sarcasm

Posie do you want a spurt-off with me, or do you think Zigoow would beat us hands down?

Women CHOOSE to go into lower paid jobs and/or be a stay at home parent

You are still dismally ignorant of the legal definition of rape. Zig.
And the more you harp on about it, the more twisted and ignorant you sound.

even if she did rape a man without his convent
As someone else said, you really are the gift that keeps on giving.

Get back to your work experience project or whatever it is you're doing and when you feel ready to engage in grown up, reasoned and properly researched debate, feel free to come back and join us.

And it's Mumsnet, not ' mums net'
Maybe it would be a good idea to get your grammar, punctuation, spelling and facts right before handing in your next essay?

Surely you know where you facts are coming from! As you're quoting them so confidently?

Well you'd think so speak, wouldn't you...?

limited