To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

You realise that third wave feminists (liberal, choice feminists) are the only ones who support your assertion that you are a woman because you feel like one? And you hate them?

Well said, Thomas. The killing of women by men is a A Thing, violence against women because they're women is A Thing, and one little advert draws attention to this and certain sections of society are up in arms about it.

Fact is, the women who are killed by men they are in relationships with, who profess to love them, yet are abusive or violent towards them - almost every single one will have started off in a relationship highlighted by the advert being discussed. It may start by low level controlling behaviours, like telling her what to wear, or checking her phone - but then escalate to coercion into sex, and violence.

These are things that are majorly experienced by women - eg. women do not go around controlling what men wear. Coercion into sexual activity, by someone they are already in a relationship with, is almost exclusively suffered by women, by men, and young women are the group most vulnerable to this.

There is nothing wrong or sexist with targeting a specific audience, and women who point this out should not be subjected to abuse - especially not by people registering on Mumsnet to specifically join this thread.

"Coercion into sexual activity, by someone they are already in a relationship with, is almost exclusively suffered by women, by men, and young women are the group most vulnerable to this."

I mean suffered by women with men the perpetrator.

I also find it frightening how close the transactivist movement is to the Men's Right's movement. Both seem very anti-women.

I would address questions to isabelle directly, but I don't feel like getting a stream of abuse or fuck-offs from her, so I won't.

It's very easy to say that we should all just be human and treat each other as such, if you're not a member of a group at the receiving end of prejudice.
Because really there should be a caveat saying "all else being equal". But it's not.

People like you piss me off and so yes I am going to tell you to fuck yourself.

Gosh, you're quite the Socratic charmer, aren't you?

I've reported that personal attack.

isabelle's tirade of personal attacks and fuck-offs, you mean toastdemon?

Richard Littlejohn of the Daily Mail is fond of the term feminazi. He's not that fond of MTTs though.

You might like to consider that before using similar language Isabelle, in case people think you hold similar views on other matters.

Yes me too.

I've clicked on to catch up, after seeing this in TIO, and, scrolling up and down to try find Isabelle's point, I can't actually find it amongst the vitriolic PAs.

Yes UnderTheGreenwoodTree should probably have specified!

I have to say when i first came here i made such a fool of myself on one of these threads.... I kind of assumed i knew alot of stuff i didn't.

sometimes women like to be around just other women, we feel safer we talk about issues that we might feel we do not want to discuss in front of men

but for many is that women when they are surrounded by just other women and girls they can be themselves which is for hard to be around men they do not know, they are not having to be wary

if men feel excluded from that or trans women well look at the reasons why not the reasons why we choose to do this

I am not going to use the term people when I am discussing issues that only impact girls or women aka female born adults. I am not going to use people when discussing issues that mainly impact women or girls because a few might feel excluded or feel that some are being discriminated against because of the choice of a word not because of the issue that is being discussed

women have come along way from being told we can not put ourselves and our needs first we have had to do this to make changes and we are not stepping back when there is so much more work that needs to be done

I'm not bothered about the personal attack tbh - I think they should stand, as they are an excellent illustration of case in point.

I just find it so sad that I have experienced more misogyny and insults from MTTs recently than from anyone else. Then in the next breath we always get 'oh but I'm not a misogynist, I'm a woman.' It'd be so much easier to believe and embrace if they didn't act so staggeringly like men.
And that is generally speaking of my recent experiences, not limited to this thread or even Mumsnet.

And the amount of MRA trolling on this thread has been ridiculous. What is it about women talking freely together that seems to scare some men so much?

It's staggeringly out of proportion to the discussion at hand, Thomas.

It's a discussion about one advert, and what's it led to? MRA invasion, the whole MRA repertoire, in fact: Rape, abortion, the justice system being unfair to men (what?), namecalling and abuse of female posters here. And they call feminists crazy. If the advert had a statement saying 'all men are rapists and paedophiles' well, you could understand it, but it doesn't.

I know you say you don't mind the personal attacks, Thomas but I'm glad the post has gone. I think women should be able to discuss this subject without receiving abuse from men/transwomen and MN is one of the few places where MRAs can't get away with it. The false facts they post, we can deal with - the abuse, we shouldn't have to.

The sheer irony of women discussing the subject of domestic abuse, and then receiving a load of abuse from men for it, is something I can't quite get my head around, but it sure does give an inkling as to why the vast majority of DA perpetrators are men.

yy to all of that Greenwood

Rogue smiley there! Oh well, have another

Have one too

What a shame that Isabelle cannot see the irony in his attacks on women.

But clearly putting a dress on a male misogynist doesn't make them a woman or a friend to women in general, as Isabelle has made to abundantly clear.

Isabelle - I'm a feminist because I think women are just as good as men, and should be treated fairly and in charge of their own lives. I don't know about 'waves' of feminism because I'm not an academic.

The word 'feminazi' has been thrown at women for quite some time, for saying controversial things like women shouldn't have their arses patted in the workplace and so on. 'Just a bit of fun, innit?'

So calling me that is really aggressive and antagonistic straight off the bat. FYI.

I mean, I see you're very angry about something, but I'm not sure what, so being desperately rude about all the women having a conversation on here isn't very helpful to your cause.

Shall we get the silly point made out of the way first? The time I post has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments, it's because I have these things called work and a social life, they tend to fill up my mid day. You seem to like to twist points, saying that martial divorce favours women does not mean that I believe women shouldn't be allowed to diverse their spouse, likewise I don't believe rape should be legal, please kindly fuck off if all of your arguments involve jumping to conclusions because what I actually say is proving difficult to disprove. Oh, and someone corrected my grammar when autocorrect changed marital to martial and then spelt 'nice' wrong.. And then used the word irony in the complete wrong context, oh the irony.

(Paragraphs.. See :) now, onto the main points. No, not 98% of civil servants are men, 28% of women are in the police.. Meaning 72% are male, still much more than women. However civil servants are considered in 'high risk of death jobs'. Miners for example however, are.

Abortion allows women to kill a mans unborn child without even telling him simply because she changed her mind. I'm not saying abortion isn't sometimes an option for women, when a baby is brought about trough rape, I think the women should have a choice, just not when she 'changes her mind'.

Rape can't be done by women? Fuck me.. You people are severely fucking stupid aren't you. Let me run an example by you, a woman has sex with a 13 year old boy. He has sexually confused and was erect even though he told her he didn't want sex and wasn't ready for it, she forced him physically into it. This isn't rape? You disgust me.

So men have to make their own refuges to help other men? Should over 70% of the police force refuse to help women? Grow some empathy.

Take you disgust to the (mostly male) lawmakers of the UK then zigoow - because rape is defined in UK law by penetration of the penis. Look it up.

And nice is spelt 'naice' on this website which you would know, if you had spent any time here at all, rather than just joining up here to put women down, and abuse us.

No, we are not fucking stupid, and we have a right to discuss these things without being told we are. We have a right to say happens to our bodies in the event of a pregnancy. And we have a right to change our minds. Always. Don't forget it.

Legally in the uk zig (where we are, are you?) rape has to involve penetration with a penis to be classed as rape. Just a fact, if you dont like it, protest it.