To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

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Although some say the MRA brain and penis are the very same thing. Because they're so dim they can't see that men have been calling the shots for the past 2 millennia, and they think that rape... well I'm not sure what they think about rape really. That it doesn't happen, or that it shouldn't be illegal, possibly.

Bit early for you, isn't it?

Firstly, when I say men are discriminated more regarding the law, I am 100% right. This isn't a disputable fact by anyone with intelligence.

Well, I'm fairly intelligent and I'm disputing it. Could you provide references of laws which give women preferential treatment?

Men however, abortion

Are you telling me that there are many places where men can't access abortions, where they're forced to continue pregnancies against their wishes?
Or is it that the poor men don't get to decide force abortions on women who don't want them? I'm intrigued, really, how would you make abortion laws fairer for men? Oh, if only someone had invented some kind of contraceptive device that men could use to shield those crafty uteri from their sperm.....

martial separation

How would you make marital separation laws fairer for men? As currently, either sex can decide to leave a marriage at any time. Or would you return to the days when a woman cannot decide for herself to end a marriage? You're sounding nicer by the minute!

custody of children

When men sacrifice their careers and social lives to do at least 50% of childcare and housework, that will be fair.

rape

How are current rape laws unfair to men? Given that all rapists are men, what with the necessity for a penis and all that.
If a man doesn't want to fall foul of rape laws, he can achieve this quite easily by not raping anyone.
Groundbreaking stuff, this.

The next point somebody made is that women do the majority of work in refuge centres, well.. I'll take your word for that, but it's hardly relevant is it?

Well it is, when you're asking why there aren't more shelters for men. Probably because they don't set them up like women do?

98% of life threatening jobs are preformed by men

You're just making this up, aren't you? Are 98% of emergency service workers male?

people are using the term MRA (which I had to google)

Bollocks you did

If you stand up for men's rights you are insulted? Crazy middle aged women and ridiculous feminists do this, it only makes you look petty and snied

Irony overload.

Rawlesly84 seemed to have a brain though

Wow, just like you! You could be fwends!

When the study saying 1/4 women are raped counted allegations which were never proven, accounts where the women themselves said it wasn't rape and unreported cases with absolutely no evidence because 'it sounds about right to add a few hundred thousand more rape cases'

Yeah that's how statistics work.
Where are you getting this?

You don't like women much, do you?

Absolutely agree that the advert is poor as it does not promote the fact that both sexes can be vulnerable to domestic violence.

This is not an advert for women and men created by women, all you have to do is look at the website, this campaign has been designed by the Home Office and Government Equalities Office. I believe there are a number of comments here that have completely missed the valid points raised that this should be a campaign aimed at all, both sexes suffer, the stats prove that. Whichever sex suffers the most is irrelevant when it comes to this campaign as long as the message gets through to effectively drive change.
I also happen to think that advert is not only sexist but verging on ageist. The young voice used insinuates that these issues are experienced by young females being entrapped/manipulated by men and how to identify these scenarios.

I also happen to think that advert is not only sexist but verging on ageist.

It's a campaign specifically aimed at 12-18 year olds. Well-targeted campaigns with defined audiences that are as specific as possible do better.

Whichever sex suffers the most is irrelevant when it comes to this campaign as long as the message gets through to effectively drive change.

But to drive change, the message needs to get across effectively. Which will mean targeting the message to the majority in a lot of cases. And the vast majority of victims of partner abuse are women, including in this age bracket.

Hi Rob, are you really 28 ?

Is Rob short for Robert or even Roberto, that sounds fancy.

Have you got a partner, Rob or I might call you Robbie although I don't much like Robbie Williams so maybe I won't.

He is a bit of a twat, but you are not like that are you Rob. Welcome to Mumsnet, Rob who is 28. Or born in 1928. Or has a birthday on the 28th of the month. So many possibilities, my head is spinning.

Perhaps we could help them come up with more imaginative nicknames?

How about MRAofTheDay. Or Tweakingthenosesofcrazymiddleclasswomen. Or, chrismet came up with a good one: YouAreAllUtterCunts.

Actually, I'd be surprised if that last one's not already been taken by a regular

Men however, abortion That one chilled my blood. The law on abortion favours women? Possibly you'd prefer the American model where more and more women (and children) are being forced to have babies against their will.

The next point somebody made is that women do the majority of work in refuge centres, well.. I'll take your word for that, but it's hardly relevant is it? When you are trying to point the point that middle aged feminists don't care about men, you might want to prove that you do. You know, volunteer in a shelter. Or, as in my case, dedicate your life to helping homeless people, addicted people, offenders; the vast majority of whom have been men. Even though I'm a gnarled, bitter, misandrist feminist.

How are current rape laws unfair to men? Given that all rapists are men, what with the necessity for a penis and all that.

Um not according to the definition of the campaign being discussed! its feminists who pushed for the definition to be widened to this degree.

If a man doesn't want to fall foul of rape laws, he can achieve this quite easily by not raping anyone

False accusations of rape are very common and made for a variety of dishonorable reasons, add to that the guilty till proven Innocent mentality and your point is void.

I think the prob is that in a lot of domestic abuse situations where women are the victims of domestic abuse they are made to feel like they are responsible in some way. A lot of abuse is not violent its emotional and this includes abuse against men. However were you to depict this in a short advert it is very open to misinterpretation. It may not get a clear message across to women who are being abused because the male abusers could turn it around and say that they were driven to the abuse by the womans 'abuse' of them. This is an incredibly common tactic used by male abusers to stop their female victims realising they are being abused and seeking help. For example if you made a short clip featuring a woman shouting abuse at a man a male abuser could say to a female victim 'look when you shout at me its abuse, im driven to do what I do to you because of this, you are in the wrong'..... as this is actually such a common tactic in DV against women, even though some men are being abused in this manner, it is not safe to put it in a short uncontextualised advert.

False accusations of rape are very common Link? Because they aren't.

Of course the advert is sexist it is a typical, pandering to the masses super sensitive sensibilities, third wave feminist pleasing piece of marketing. The cause itself is not and it's a damn shame that everyone is commenting in such a pro-feminazi fashion when the causes own site makes no particular distinction between gender, sexuality nor gender identity. This particular statistic "2 women a week" is so petty, it is a simple and undisguised attempt at silencing those who disagree with your assertions. How about 1 trans person every 3 days, compare the statistics and you have 1 in 2 people are women, 1 in 8000 are trans and the murder rate is still higher for trans individuals and that's not just by people who they are/were in a relationship with, that's potentially anyone they encounter who may kill them. Does that statistic make the 2 deaths a week of women in abusive relationships any less relevant? No it doesn't so why does that statistic make men being abused something these comments seem to want to belittle and separate from the whole issue?
Every time someone points out that an issue is only being looked at from one particular angle then (whatever the cause or group ) all the termites come out to play and start spreading what amounts to nothing more than hate disguised as indignance. If people really want change then we all have to drop all of these labels, groups and other distinctions designed to divide and neatly categorise every single one of us until everyone is their own personal, minority, victimised group of one. The group we need to be part of is humans and we should all start treating each other as such.

houseeveryweekend I hadn't read your comment before posting but that is a very fair point however if the message that men can be abused is never shown whether in a short snappy advert or otherwise then abused men may never realise that they can come forward and to the opposite of your point why won't this advert give female abusers the same leverage over their victims. If this advert is helpful in any capacity then it will show that something similar should be done to specifically showcase the problem from the other side of the gender coin.

Dp works away alot. Always abroad and mostly away at least a week at a time. This was not his job when we started a family. I find it hard even though my children both started school now. This week my daughter and I have both both had flue. I Have had to rely on my parent to help out. They are briliant but I hate having to ask them as my dad has been unwell recently.My Dp clearly loves going away and told me of the beautiful hotel he is staying in overlooking the beach. AIBU to want him to look for another job? I work part time and I just feel so tired alot of the time. Do I just need to suck it up?

Sorry wrong thread!!

Can I give the Early Hours MRAs or MRA, not convinced it's not all the same person a few tips?

Use paragraphs
I haven't even read last nights offerings as they're just a block of text and I can't be arsed.

Use more imaginative names
Possibly with some caps on proper nouns? Just using random male names with numbers is lazy and it looks like you don't care.
Kudos for whoever was using a female name last night though - but again, the all-lower-case and missing paragraphs give you away.

Post at a slightly different time
Perhaps even in daylight? When all these different posters come on at the same time every night, posting in the same style at the same time, it looks suspicious.

HTH.

Ps not troll hunting ^^ this could very well be a group of individuals.

Benjaminbb - You are wrong, read it again. It says that anyone can be a rape victim, which is correct. However, a penis is very definitely required to be a rapist. This has been enshrined in UK Law since time immemorial.

It is only in the heads of the MRA that false allegations of rape are commonplace. The men and women who actually work with the cases know that this is not the case. Keir Starmer's work and 17months of research in the CPS showed that false allegations of both rape and DV were very rare, and indeed rarer than previously thought.

Contrary to MRA popular belief, women do not routinely make up rape allegations because they regret having sex, or are embarrassed, or out of revenge. The facts are that only a small proportion of rape victims will report the crime to police, and fewer still will get a case in court.

The law does need to change regarding the definition of rape.

"How about 1 trans person every 3 days" Is that in the UK? I've tried to find that figure in the crime data and can't see it, could you tell me where to find it please?

I want to know what that 'one trans woman every three days' figure is meant to be and how it relates to 2 women a week. Is murdered? In the UK? By a partner? If this were indeed the case it would be a flipping enormous epidemic and we should look very carefully at what is causing it. Who are these partners? Men? Women?
Go on then Isabelle, clarification and evidence please.

I am going to write this in bullet points so you can read it without any trouble.

Cheers, but I'm still a bit hazy about what your point is.

General gist seemed to be; you don't like me - a few insults and comparisons to nazis - a few 'poor me wah wah wah you don't know what it's like to be discriminated against and you're NOT ALLOWED to claim you are' type comments - a bit of 'go fuck yourself I don't give a shit' stuff - and you still don't like me.

But like I say, the point you're trying to get across is lost on me. Unless it was just insults and general fuck offs?

I never cease to be amazed/amused at how rational discussion is met with nothing but abuse and shouting down from those claiming to be oppressed.

Oh and please please PLEASE let's not make this thread all about trans too.

only 500 posts before this thread gets full.

I am a trans-woman and if that makes you feel any more vindicated in your assertion that I'm not a woman then you can royally fuck off.

If anyone gets to argue about discrimination it's my little group

It can't be both though, can it?

Either you are a woman - in which case, you are part of a large group, represented by many of the posters here, or you are a part of a 'little group' that you feel is discriminated against by the posters here.