To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

Jason - You do understand that the ONS, being survey-based, and dependant on what questions are asked, is a totally different thing from conviction rates - which have been proven in court are form part of our criminal justice figures though?

The ONS has been criticised for under-reporting of women victims due to their statistical methods. The 40% figure is utterly flawed, misleading and downright dangerous for women.

On another note I'd love their raw data on it all. It would be extremely interesting. Plus I'd love to see exactly what they did and didn't include in each statistic they quote.

The 40% figure is utterly flawed, misleading and downright dangerous for women.

The way they have come to the 40% figure means it's misleading - yes, it's skewed, i've said that above twice.

I'm not sure how it can be deemed false though, when it has data from an independant source backing it up.

You do understand that the ONS, being survey-based, and dependant on what questions are asked, is a totally different thing from conviction rates - which have been proven in court are form part of our criminal justice figures though?

Yes, they are different things.

fales would mean it's faked.

Well it is false - it leads people to say 40% of domestic abuse victims are male - when they're not.

It leads people to say 40% of domestic abuse victims are male - when they're not.

But according to yourself we don’t' actually know the percentage.

I think i'm derailing the threrad so i'll stop it here.

Does Domestic Abuse include threatening behaviour from an adult to a child?

Also thank you for being patient with me, i realise i'm not that easy to explain things to at times.

So that advert didn't work jason. That doesn't make it sexist. Just not a terribly good ad.

Lots of adverts don't work, including that Exposed one by CHEOPs that ItalianGreyhound linked to.

It does offer practical advice and a positive message to young women who sext without thinking of the consequences in the end. Sadly it takes even longer to get the point than this critique.

False doesn't mean faked.

Because JassyRadlett, you're splitting hairs. It affects men in 0.001% of diagnosis. Hardly an accurate comparison

Not if you use made-up numbers, no.

Effective mass-market advertising works on how to increase awareness or change attitudes and behaviours. To do that it needs to appeal to audiences that are most likely to respond to a particular ad. This is a campaign targeting young people (12-18 year olds) where the vast majority of victims of partner abuse are girls, and the vast majority of abusers male, just like in the wider population. So a skew towards female victims is appropriate. I haven't watched the other 2 ads yet so don't know how they target.

And at any rate, even if you're interpreting the ad as saying all perpetrators of DV are male (I don't agree that it does), it doesn't logically follow that all the victims are female. That's people's own assumptions and biases at play.

I agree Jassy. Honestly. All this fuss over one advert that is predominantly aimed at young girls- as part of a campaign that is pretty gender neutral. Petitions, influx of outraged-men-posters-at-3am. Who'd have thunk it.

I wonder how many will come along tonight?

Jason does domestic abuse include threatening behaviour from an adult to a child?

I believe this is separately categorised as Child Abuse, which is also divided between child sex abuse, violence toward children and child abuse.

Domestic abuse is behaviours between adult partners.

Am not sure what MRA stands for but I have had a quick look at the Parity website. Enough of a look to be sceptical to say the least around any of their claims.

I didn't particularly see the ad as sexist. In fact it was more gender neutral than the other ads I have seen recently. It would be a bit of a big ask though for an ad of that length to cover all aspects of abuse in terms of who are the perpetrators and victims.

No advert of this type can reach everyone at risk. Hopefully this one reaches some of those at risk. Domestic abuse is hideous.

Firstly, when I say men are discriminated more regarding the law, I am 100% right. This isn't a disputable fact by anyone with intelligence. There isn't a single law that treats women below men in terms of the law. Men however, abortion, martial separation, custody of children, rape, etc etc. The next point somebody made is that women do the majority of work in refuge centres, well.. I'll take your word for that, but it's hardly relevant is it? 98% of life threatening jobs are preformed by men, the point is irrelevant. I'd also like to show the irony in the fact people are using the term MRA (which I had to google) as an insult to men, do you see the fucking sexism in that? If you stand up for men's rights you are insulted? Crazy middle aged women and ridiculous feminists do this, it only makes you look petty and snied. Slugseatlettuce said she personally thinks men wouldn't go to refuge centres.. Which is great for her, but if I said I don't think women would want to leave the kitchen I'm sure she'd be up in arms about it. Another point was that make refuge centres are empty.. This isn't true, actually they are bursting with people, please stop assuming what you think is right. One more point was that only 2/5 of the arguments specifically referred to men on women violence. Rawlesly84 seemed to have a brain though, as a male voice with a male fist slamming down on the table against a female fist seems pretty obviously aimed at men, along with a women's voice and a bra is aimed at women. Finally, 40/60 is right? Yes.. It might have included nagging which apparently discredits the whole study but when the 80/20 study is brought out no one questions that 'are you really gunna wear that?' Counts as domestic violence? When the study saying 1/4 women are raped counted allegations which were never proven, accounts where the women themselves said it wasn't rape and unreported cases with absolutely no evidence because 'it sounds about right to add a few hundred thousand more rape cases'

zigoow I thought the law treated men and women equally. Please could you give me examples of laws that treat women preferentially to men?

Typically though it is through the flouting of laws that sexist discrimination occurs. Eg fair pay. Legally you cannot discriminate between men and women in terms of how much you pay them. Doesn't stop the gender pay gap.

Am afraid I don't understand the rest of your post.

Zigoow, can I recommend that you read 'Eve Was Framed' by Helena Kennedy? I think you would find it fascinating and very informative.

MRAs (you had to google? Sure you did) just lurve to post great long solid blocks of text, because their voice is like, so important. Paragraphs.

I second the Eve Was Framed recommendation - you might learn something.

98% of life threatening jobs are done by men are they?
Like the 800 women who die, every day, in childbirth or during pregnancy?

If men actually cared about issues, caused by patriarchy usually, they would get together and campaign. They would march in the street and , open refuges in their own living rooms. Like women did.

But they don't. They just sit around jumping on every issue that women try and tackle, and moan about how they have it worse. It's tiresome.

Pissed off about custody arrangements? Make sure you're doing 50% of the childcare and parenting during the marriage, even if it means sacrificing your career. Pissed off about abortion? Take control of your own fertility and don't have un protected sex. Concerned about men being raped, well since that's a crime you can only commit with a penis, it's pointless to direct your anger at women.

Men have the majority of positions of power, in industry and politics. Men make the laws FFS. But please, tell me more about how the evil feminists are hurting you.

Isn't a bit early for you Zigoow?

Anyway, I'm glad you're up because I've been reading your post avidly and have some questions.

1. This bit 'Firstly, when I say men are discriminated more regarding the law, I am 100% right.This isn't a disputable fact by anyone with intelligence' Are you sure you don't want to expand your area of 100 per cent rightness? I don't want to confine you and your mighty brain.

1. What's martial separation? Is that like a combat thing between North and South Korea with rice flails and high kicks?

1. 98% of life threatening jobs are preformed by men. Truly alarming. I sometimes look at packets of ham in Tesco and if it says it was made from preformed cuts I put it back and get a naicer one. But does this actually mean that the ham is life threatening?

1. Crazy middle aged women and ridiculous feminists. That'll be me then, but because you spelled snide as 'snied' I'm going to guess that you misspelled petty and meant to say 'pretty'. Thanks for the compliment, but I'm taken.

1. make refuge centres are empty This could be a great slogan along the lines of Make Poverty History. It needs a tiny bit of work though. I'd suggest getting rid of the 'are'.

1. Rawlesly84 seemed to have a brain though. And a penis, I suspect. There were certainly some bollocks there.

1. a bra is aimed at women - usually, but with the shocking rates of obesity, I don't think it's right to exclude men.

1. Oh, I have to put my hubby's dinner on now, but you get the picture...