To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

That Exposed video is too long. I got bored with it in under 2 minutes

It is a fact that coercive and violent behaviour is committed by overwhelmingly by men - both in and out of relationships. Between 80-90% convictions for crimes against the person are men. 97% of all sexual crime convictions are men. The prison population is overwhelmingly male.

The 40% figure does not include sexual offences - sexual offences are a huge part of DV and DA - be it coercing a partner for naked pics, or rape. It does, however, include "nagging" - if people can't see how that would skew the figures hugely, then hey are being deliberately dim.

The 40% figure is false - you have to be very careful what questions are being asked when you rely on self-reports.

It does, however, include "nagging"

Do you have proof of this?

Oops typos.

Jasonandyawegunorts

The 40% figure is false

Except it isn't the figure is true. It's not fabricated, saying it is false is wrong. Saying it doesn't represent reality and results are skewed is more correct.

But we are going around in circles here, repeatedly.

You can come to the figure yourself from the national statistics, the same statistics used to come to "80% of men committing domestic abuse" figures.

You can't agree with one and dismiss another, saying it's untrue, because you don't like it.

No, Jason - the difference is in the conviction rates. Conviction rates record the cases that have been proven in a court of law. The ONS is self-reporting from a survey. People answer questions. But what questions are they answering?

Someone, many years ago (that article is from 2010) on MN showed the list of questions that people were asked for that ONS, and it included 'nagging' - which is hardly a gender neutral term in itself.

When you look at actual prosecutions for DV, it shows a very different story.

Plus the sexual offences. Why wouldn't sexual abuse between partners be included in that figure do you think? Sexual violence and coercion makes up a large proportion of DV and yet it is not included.

Surely you can do better than that

People in glass houses....

When you look at actual prosecutions for DV, it shows a very different story.

But the advert, this whole thread isn't about domestic violence.

It's about domestic abuse, Stopping behavious at the lesser level.

Plus the sexual offences. Why wouldn't sexual abuse between partners be included in that figure do you think? Sexual violence and coercion makes up a large proportion of DV and yet it is not included.

Becuase it's not about Domestic violence.

no one, not one person (Unless one of the deleted posts said it) has argued the fact that overall men are more violent and that that figure is around 80%.

However, this is about Domestic abuse.

Sexual violence between partners is domestic violence - and it covered in the advert we're discussing.

It astounds me how many people accept a statistic as truely representing fact.

I used to work in a department doing statistics on the organisation I worked for. My job (and that of everyone else in the statistics department) was to ensure that the statistical representation of the figures made the organisation appear wonderful, regardless of how dire the facts actually were.

You just play around with boundarys (whats included, whats not) and how you group the data. Statistics can be manipulated to say pretty much whatever you like.

This is a pretty worthwhile article on the subject

" The Office of National Statistics (ONS) has just been told, in no uncertain terms, that the way it measures domestic abuse is fundamentally flawed.
It's a searing accusation. And it's the work of one seriously impressive woman.
After a painstaking review of the data, Professor Sylvia Walby, professor of sociology and Unesco chair of gender research at Lancaster University, found that the incidence of violent crime against women, and domestic violence in particular, is grossly underestimated in official statistics."

Statistics can be manipulated to say pretty much whatever you like.

And the Office for National Statistics has a vendetta to sway a small section of their figures?

limitedperiodonly I agree, it is too long, but then I am not the target audience, I am 50!

I also think in that video, too much time waiting outside a cafe, WTF was the parent thinking when they did not come in all night, far more worrying than a nude selfie (to me).

But I do think it exposes some of the issues, if you will excuse the pun.

What I would rather see is the three options of the 'fruit' one for all perspectives, with real credible actors who are the age of the target audience.

E.g. how not to pressurise and how to resist pressure. Adverts should tell/advise/help young people deflect pressure, give them smart answers and empower then to know they can say no, not just show them what the crap looks like when it hits the fan after they wrongly say yes, IMHO.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree totally agree.

Another important factor on the sexting issue is that it can happen 'anonymously' on line. The person who appears to be talking to a young woman or man on line may be represented as a woman, a young attractive women saying to a young lad, send me some pics, but it could be a male pervert. So there is a huge area of ambiguity over this specific issue. Obviously when people are in relationships they know if the partner is male or female!

I know I keep going on about sexting but that is because it is the 'newer' aspect of this, and things have developed so fast. there have even been instances of young people taking their lives or attempting it because of nude photos etc.

The ad is ambitious to tackle all these issues under one umbrella.

The other issue is that to be honest for me it is not really just about respect. Do I think men will start respecting women simply because the ad says so (or vice versa)? No, what we need to do is empower everyone, female and male, to resist any pressure, resist coercion, report violence, aggression and to make everyone aware of the laws that say that those who abuse others will be punished by law. If they can respect each other anyway, fab, but even if they do not, some behaviour is unacceptable, it is not cool, it needs to be expressed in a way that makes people realise what jerks they are being!

That's why I like this advert because it shows an alternative option.

It's a bit disturbing/maybe triggering. It's a bit off topic, but it shows that there are different ways to educate.

Must go to work, bye for now.

he way it measures domestic abuse is fundamentally flawed.

Yes, but the percentage itself isn't false, you keep repeating it's false. it's not. You make it sound like it has been plucked out of the air.

The 40% statistics have come from the same place the 80% ones have.

Either way I personally don't think the advert has worked.

Jason, I have no idea why you would wish to put your hands over your ears and shout la la la when talking about sexual coercion, abuse and violence as part of domestic abuse. Two aspects of it are covered in the advert we're discussing -being asked for nude pics and pressuring people into sex. That's two (out of what, 5?) of the segments of the ad.

This is something that overwhelmingly happens to girls and women.

No I didn't say that. In saying all statistical data can be (and is to a degree) manipulated. It inevitably is skewed by what questions are asked and how these are grouped. It can then be further skewed by anyone who wishes to read and reinterpret the core data (if its published - often only grouped data is)

I have no idea why you would wish to put your hands over your ears and shout la la la when talking about sexual coercion, abuse and violence as part of domestic abuse.

I haven't said anything like this.

Sorry that was at Jasonandyawegunorts and trying to say I was accusing ons of a vandetta

Sorry that was at Jasonandyawegunorts and trying to say I was accusing ons of a vandetta

I don’t think you are really accusing ons of a vandetta, i was exasperating my post because the data came directly from their 2015 PDA that was linked to, it’s had no 3rd party playing with it.
But i do understand what you are saying, you can take out as many categorise as you like until you only display what you want people to see.

exaggerating^