To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

All the examples are men abusing women.

No they're not.

Explain....

It's like making an advert to raise awareness about pancreatic cancer, and only showing women who have been affected by it. It's affects both males and females and the message that it would send out would be that men need not worry

Like the fact that breasts cancer awareness adverts pretty much exclusively feature and focus on women?

Why are you up in arms about this, but not that?

Have you seen the ad? It's mostly male voices saying abuse is wrong. It doesn't say anything about 'men abusing women' it could be male/male, female/female female/male, anything.

Most men are decent and hardworking - really?

The proportion of men who have raped a woman or man, who use porn, who have used a prostituted woman, are extremely high. I would not call any of these men decent.

Men experience sexism much, much more

Did I really just read that? MRA groundhog day hits Mumsnet.

Nothing brings MRAs out of the woodwork more routinely than women talking about DV.

Ooh, and can someone else link to the Guardian piece again please because it's not like it's not been linked to 3 times already on this thread, and been debunked by numerous posters - it's like the MRA Bible that article - and it's based on misleading stats (which are an MRA's favourite thing to quote - the other MRA fave is to claim that men are also rape victims as frequently as women - based on a prison study in a male prison.)

All the examples are men abusing women

No they are not.

Italiangreyhound painstakingly went through it on Monday and came up with this:

To be fair in the advert there are five scenarios, of which only three are specific to females and no one suggests whether the relationship is straight or gay!

"If you are checking your girlfriend's phone, telling her who she can and can't speak to, that's not OK." (specific to a females, spoken by eyes with male voice)

"If your boyfriend's telling you how to dress, that's not right (specific to anyone dating a male, spoken by feet with female voices)

"If someone asks you for a nude pic, or keeps on at you to share one, you shouldn't have to deal with that." (not specific to anyone, spoken by breasts in a bra with a female voice)

"When it comes to sex, only an idiot would put pressure on someone." (not specific to anyone, spoken by boxer shorts with male voice)

"If you turn to voilence when your girlfriend disagrees with you, well that's not the way to deal with it (specific to females, spoken by hands with male voices).

Then she added:

Sorry, only two are specific to females and one to anyone dating a male, plus two which are not specific to anyone. I expect in most cases someone dating a male will be female but as I just said it's not specific to whether the relationship is straight or gay!

I got the impression that she didn't like the ad all that much, but she still took the time to break it down.

Here it is again for anyone who is bored. They can take whatever message they want from it.

Possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

Another MRA favourite is state that his female ex is keeping his kids from him. Some women do this. Some of them have good reasons.

NAWALT

p4rmaviole

NO. I find it sexist that the vast majority of violence is gendered and committed by men against women. hth

But it is creepy as fuck.

What the advert Rawlesy84 or greyhound's detailed dissection of it?

The ad isn't the greatest thing, but I've seen dumber things on the internet.

Most men are decent and hardworking - really? The proportion of men who have raped a woman or man, who use porn, who have used a prostituted woman, are extremely high. I would not call any of these men decent.

Which raises the question, where does this behaviour come from?

People are not born like this.

that would make an intresting study.

and i'm sure the majority of men are good people.

80% of reported cases being male does not mean 80% of the worlds men are violent.

It was actually at JassyRadletts post, but I guess it could be stretched to cover the dissection as well.

Although in the two sceanrio's it doesn't directly refer to the male being the abuser, the fact it's a pair of boobs saying you shouldn't have to deal with someone asking for nude pictures, and a talking male groin saying it's wrong to pressure someone into sex.....it's quite obvious that it's directed at the male being the abuser.

But hey, I have no problem with rasing awareness....it's just the advert loses all credibility when it says at the end 'disrespect noBody'.

Ooh another name and number MRA checks in! Can't wait for tomorrow's pearls of wisdom.

I'd suggest we play MRA bingo but I think we're nearing full house.
This was a good one though -

Of course men kill more women, because it's much more unlikely for a women to be able to overpower and kill a man trough violence, men are naturally stronger.

So you see, it's not that men are more violent, or that they try to kill their partners more often. It's just that when they try, they often succeed as they're so much stronger.

It's not their fault, bless them. The wimmin' would all be doing it too if they were only a bit stronger. So sexist against the poor menz

Why, Rawsley? Men get breast cancer but are in the minority of those who do.

the advert loses all credibility when it says at the end 'disrespect noBody'.

Erm, pourquoi?

It doesn't say 'disrespect no woman' or 'disrespect no man.' It says 'disrespect nobody.' Pretty neutral and all-encompassing, considering that everyone does have a body.

it's not that men are more violent, or that they try to kill their partners more often. It's just that when they try, they often succeed as they're so much stronger.

Ahh! The Of Mice and Men Defence.

Looney Tunes expressed it well. No, just a woman.

Sorry, thomas

I should have made it clear I was referring to this:

Of course men kill more women, because it's much more unlikely for a women to be able to overpower and kill a man trough violence, men are naturally stronger.

It was understandable that this man wasn't going to come off best in his encounters with younger, stronger, taller muggers either.

People didn't see it that way though. And so they shouldn't.

I wonder what made them choose the 4ft 6ins, visually-impaired pensioner as opposed to a 6ft 4ins man in full possession of all his capacities...

Because JassyRadlett, you're splitting hairs. It affects men in 0.001% of diagnosis. Hardly an accurate comparison.

It doesn't say 'disrespect no woman' or 'disrespect no man.' It says 'disrespect nobody.' Pretty neutral and all-encompassing, considering that everyone does have a body.

Come on. To paraphrase a post everyone can see is just embarrassing. Surely you can do better than that^

I meant to link to these and not sure I did. I think these adverts are much better on the sexting issue.

- Longer and better for older kids, teens. - I think this one achieves what the disrespect nobody one aims at.

I think one aspect that is being missed slightly in the discussions (although I have not read all these posts) is that this ad is clearly aimed at younger people. It is not just aimed at the men or women who are violently abusing their partners it is aimed at all the controlling behaviour that leads up to that.

It is aimed, I think, at much younger people who may be starting to attempt to control or are being controlled by boyfriends or girls friends, not so much by partners in the 'live-in' sense. I see it as trying to nip those controlling behaviours in the bud.

So how affective is this advert at that, I wonder?

because it deals with controlling behaviour, coercive sexual (pressuring) behaver, sexting and violets. I am not sure that the debates about refuges etc are exactly relative to this advert, because people who are being pressurised to send their boyfriends or girls friends nude pictures are not in need of a refuge, they more than likely live with their parents. Of course the debate moves on so I am not trying to stall anything, just curious if this style of advert is the best.

I think this type of site and this type of approach may be better for young people, and this example is a man (or boy) being verbally by a female.

thatsnotcool.com/speak-up/

This is very different from people being killed by their partners, it's part of the same kind of problem, I think, but it's a very different aspect and I think there is room for public information on all this, but it has to 'grab' the target audience, and I am not sure disembodied puppet body parts does it, I think it trivialises it, and it's just creepy!

Italiangreyhound

You've done a brilliant job at summing my feelings about the ad up.

So in America, where woman have access to guns why don't they kill their partners as often? Not as fast on the draw? Women are killed overwhelmingly by men even when physical strength is taken out of the equation.

Can they send us some clever MRAs? This is boring.