To agree with jamie oliver's principles, but still think he's a twat

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I agree with his campaigns, but he is an absolute dickhead. Really unlikeable.

Doesn't Jools send her children to parties with their own food? So they don't have to eat the crappy party fare?

I can't forgive him for luring me into his shit MLM 'opportunity' and losing me a shed load of time, effort and money.
I wish I had found mumsnet before signing up. Wanker in my opinion.

Hugh Fucking Whittingstool is an arse.

Wonky v pretty veg is bollocks. I don't think anyone minds knobbly veg. They do mind stuff that's been mined into by beetles.

I shop at Sainsbury's. The loose or bagged veg looks pretty normal and wonky to me. Prepared stuff is different.

I get my veg from the market where they proudly display the cutest or most obscene root vegetables.

Unfortunatley limited I do know people who mind wonky veg they only like it if it's shiny, symmetrical and washed. They obviously earn far more than I do

Plus, if the supermarkets reject it, its not always there to buy so its good to make consumers aware of the waste and pressure they put on Farmers. Personally, I love buying a rude looking carrot or a 'bum' potato.

Actually the people I know who are the least likely to buy wonky veg are those with little money/education who would either assume it's gone off, or worried what the neighbours would think.
Same people put brand names on their children and would never go in a charity shop.
Birds Eye/heinz/mccain is a brand so top quality etc

No, I didn't think you were arguing with me limited .

Maybe one of the reasons he didn't go into his own kids' school is because they're at private school? Or at least I assume they are because in his 15 programme he said that "obviously" he wouldn't send his kids to state school. I was torn between admiring his honesty and being aghast at his double standards.

here's the article in which he claims he put chilli on his daughter's apple as a punishment because 'beating kids isn't popular anymore'.

Moron.

BillSykes i think i remember you posting about the burgers/fence thing on a previous JO thread.

Suburban the School Dinners programme was at least 11 years ago. Ppl probably didnt think to take photos of themselves as insurance against a tv programme editing them out Facebook was in its infancy and Twitter had yet to be launched.

It was a different story 4 years ago when Newsnight gave an inaccutate portrayl of a single mum that they interviewed.

She was able to take to Twitter to put the record straight.

As for obesity. Ive lost 10 stone on Slimming World. I dont eat the low syn high sugar stuff thats recommended although it does involve fresh fruit and eggs. I could not afford it if i was on JSA or a zero hours contract.

JO cannot seem to grasp simple facts. It was explained to him on an MN webchat why the "flatscreen tv" analogy was so offensive but a couple of days later on a radio show he just swapped flatscreen tv for smartphone.

Why was he even mentioning those on a very low income when the Save with Jamie book wasnt even aimed at them. As a pp said it was so he could sell it to those on middle incomes. To him it is perfectly fine and acceptable to "other" poorer people to achieve this aim.

helena

As I explained in previous posts, what I meant was I was surprised the mum who was handing over the takeaway food didn't say to the camera people who were filming - "Make sure you show that some students are ordering salad sandwiches as well as burgers and fish and chips." It's just that in the photo on the BBC News website of the boxes of food the students ordered, everything was wrapped up (except the fizzy drinks), so you couldn't see what had been ordered.

I didn't mean why didn't she do a few selfies and post them on Instagram

I know a couple of people who have worked with him. Apparently he's well intentioned but lacks any sort of filter. On impulse he will say and do foolish or inappropriate things, and surrounds himself with a large team who are there to damage control (and also restrict opportunities for him to mess up).

As for how he got into the media - His Dad ran a high-end gourmet-pub where he went to work. Dad also had some contacts in London, and he just happened to get Jamie a slot in the right restaurant at the same time as the film crews were due to turn up and make a documentary about life in the kitchens of a posh London restaurant.

Then the media spun it as Jamie being a self- made man who worked his way up from the humble beginners of being a pot-washer at the local pub, all without any qualifications.

He's about as working class as Kate Middleton, and probably richer by now.

Guardian account of what actually happened re food over the fence:

www.theguardian.com/education/2006/sep/20/schoolmeals.schools

BBC story which says parents ordered 'salad roll as well as burgers'.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/5349392.stm

I was surprised the mum who was handing over the takeaway food didn't say to the camera people who were filming - "Make sure you show that some students are ordering salad sandwiches as well as burgers and fish and chips."

It may surprise you that middle aged mums in Rawmarsh tend not to have media training, or any idea how what they were doing might be misconstrued.

I didn't mean why didn't she do a few selfies and post them on Instagram hmm

Instagram was launched in 2010. This was 2006. I doubt they had a smartphone between them, and even if they did, Rawmarsh is not the sort of place and these are not the sort of people who feel the need to record what they've had for their dinner lunch on the interwebs.

agree with op and i liked the naked chef

Exactly Bill And even if she did say to them "Make sure you show the salad rolls" they could easily have edited it out. Its obvious from what has come out since that they were working to an agenda.

And i was just pointing out that with the technology that we have now... its easier to prove your side of things than it was then.

But what sort of life is it when you have to record your whole life because you cant trust other peoples agendas.

His recipe for strawberry cheesecake is extraordinarily expensive.

His recipe for lasagne uses crème fraîche instead of béchemel.

For those crimes alone, he is a twat.

I love buying a rude looking carrot or a 'bum' potato.

Me too combine but I can't bear to eat them

Our school dinners still seem to be awful. Small portions and no salt. Not sure what he changed really. Banning crisps?

He's one of the few media cooks I can cope with, and actually have some of his books. I think his campaign for healthy school meals was laudable.

Nigel, Nigella, Hugh etc all get on my nerves far more.

Can't be arsed going back through all the posts to quote the person who referenced his lisp, but that just struck me as downright disgusting.
Disagree with the man's principles and stance all you lie, but to use something personal like that against someone you disagree with is just plain nasty and bullying.

like not lie

kryptonite I posted way upthread that personal insults were unnecessary if you want to make a point that you disagree with someone's views, but the poster who made the personal attacks felt they were justified on the grounds that JO is in the public eye.

His recipe for lasagne uses crème fraîche instead of béchemel.

I wasn't aware the recipe for lasagne had been written in tablets of stone. Most everyday lasagne recipes use cheese sauce anyway, not béchamel.

Cheese sauce, béchemel, with mushrooms, without mushrooms....take your pick! But crème fraîche in lasagne is just rank. I have tried it.

I dislike the sugar tax on drinks at his restaurant. If I want to be nagged about my diet, I will visit my mum. If I go out to eat, I am spending a fair bit of money and want to have a good time, not be guilt tripped.

I am an adult - I can make my own choices.

What needs to happen in this country is legislation to stop food manufacturers from flooding their products with excess sugar and other crap, because it is cheap to produce, rather than demonising poor people or taxing it out of their price range. But it doesn't suit the govt to do that. Blaming poor people for all their own problems, suits the govts narrative. Thanks Jamie for helping them with that.

That said, school dinners are often shite and he brought that to our attention. Little has changed though - kids still are able to buy pizza and garlic bread on a daily basis at school.

Should clarify. I don't want chocolate and fizzy drinks not to exist. No one believes they are healthy, so if you buy them, you are making a choice. And as an occasional thing they are probably not going to kill you. I do not think that children should be able to buy sugary drinks, certainly not from vending machines at school.
I want to see 'normal' food made without lots of hidden sugar and other non nutritious ingredients.