To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

They are choosing to be stuck there.

emily

'They are stuck in Calais and not being gven any better options.'

No, they are CHOOSING not to go to the new camp where they will be processed as refugees in France because they PREFER to go to Britain: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35322374.

Denying the facts only proves how badly you've lost the argument.

It means something humane being done

Okay, so what are you suggesting emily? I don't see any suggestions in your post, just angst-ridden hand-wringing, which is no use to anyone.

Since everyone in the camps in Calais has made an active choice to be there, rather than seek assistance, why are you putting the onus on the UK to 'look at every case'? Those people are extremely resourceful, or they'd never had smuggled themselves from Libya or Somalia or Eritrea or Afghanistan to wherever the hell they're from to northern France. They certainly know they can apply for assistance in France, should they want it. But they choose instead to try to break into lorries every night and smuggle themselves into the UK, where you can bet as soon as the police pick them up they'll yell 'asylum' as the smugglers have trained them to do.

You may not like DC's tone or his choice of language, but I think most Brits wholeheartedly agree with him and not with that pathetic communist on the other side of the despatch box.

But they do have better options! They have Germany, sweden, denmark, holland, france etc to go too

They also have brand new accommodation, but the Far Left is dissuading them from using it.

sad to think someones feet may be rotting but they are being frightened into not using the dry warm container by the far left

I think one thing we can do is try our best stop the far left from using the migrants.

JC said on this morning a lorry was turned back with bananas and blankets to the camp when he was there.

When I heard this It was horrific but now I wonder was it turned back because they suspected it was the far left trying to get in again under subterfuge?

such a coincidence all that kicked off when JC was there?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35431086

man held with guns at DLP

I was so worried last year when my DD was there with her family but was reassured by the security checks, looks like they are on the ball.

'Inkanta, it's not emotive language. It is FACTUAL. Their feet are literally rotting from the cold and wet. Sorry if that triggers an emotional response in you.'

Emily - it is an emotive strategy - and it doesn't to work. It's also not factual.

The economic migrants could move to warmer accommodation, and they could give up on the UK and stay in France.

Why don't they apply to stay in France?

Allthemadmen that's terrifying, thank God they caught him. Sadly though it's just a matter of time before one slips through the net.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-arrested-at-disneyland-paris-hotel-after-two-guns-found-in-suitcase-a6839381.html

more info x ray machines saved the day.

I want to go next year and was going to ask them what security they have in place.

whilst its encouraging he was caught one wonders if they are also testing .

Hate, fear, blame.

Police are still searching for his female accomplice, lets hope she isn't armed and is soon found.

The 15 year old accused of murder in Sweden confirms another posters experience earlier in the thread and is possibly partly behind why Foster carers are reluctant to take teen refugee boys.

Emily, you and Tangerine have both been asked repeatedly to back up your claims that they have no choice but to be in the camps at Calais. This has been backed up with information from reputable sources detailing the help available for refugees on the continent including housing, financial support, healthcare and education.

You have repeatedly just parroted 'they have no choice' without being able to back that up. Not only can you not back it up from other sources; you can't even explain in your own words why they have no choice.

Honestly Emily, the impression I get of you is that you get most of your information from memes posted on Facebook by hard left groups and you are either unable or unwilling to question it or look at more balanced news sources. You don't seem to be able to engage with solutions or identify possible problems with them beyond the level of the most simplistic emotional knee jerk response.

Allthemadmen we went 10yrs ago and security was very tight then, I would imagine even more so now.

Oh, and the odd meaningless slogan. I forget that, thanks for the timely reminder.

Yvette Cooper is not hard left, and she has said that she met unaccompanied 11 year old children in Calais. I assume they have no real choice.

emilybohemia

'Hate, fear, blame.'

So you've got nothing. You can't name one single, concrete, factual reason why the people in the Calais camp can't claim asylum in France.

How embarrassing.

Que jumpers are people with little regard for rules and empathy. I would rather help those who follow rules, they are less likely to be mass sex attackers.

It's shocking. And as I am tiring of pointing out, these aggressive and strong young men are contributing pejoratively to the argument for hosting genuine refugees

These^^

and OP, I agree with your last post about the bunch of migrants.

oh my, agreeing with the PM? never thought that day would come!!

Bill, there's already been explanations for why they have no choice. Applying in France wouldn't mean they would be out of the camps. It takes months to even get an appointment to apply for asylum in France. It can take a year to even get the papers to apply for asylum in France and they are often offered nothing in the meantime. Assertions they can quickly apply for asylum and are automatically given a place to stay in France are completely false. When France does not provide for many asylum seekers, they certainly have no choice.

There is also the fact that refugees are racially hatrassed in France and physically attacked.

Then there are the ones from ex colonial countries that speak English and feel it is the better place in terms of integration and opportunities. I see nothing wrong with that.

Tories have critisised Cameron's response so I don't think it is a hard left thing to recognise how wrong the situation in Calais is.

And why don't they apply further back along their trail if they feel that they'd rather wait in the camps for months on end instead of applying in France?

No-one is saying that they will get a place quickly, but if it's taken them months to get to Calais, and it will take months to be processed - then they have alternatives.

As for the ones from the colonial countries - I thought we were talking about people fleeing war torn countries who want to get themselves and their children to safety? Speaking the same language so that it's better in terms of integration and opportunities says to me that it's less about safety and more about economic migration to a country of their choice where their relatives are.

Maybe they want to come here because they speak English, or mistakenly believe we will be kinder to them. I don't see what's wrong with a quota system in Europe for genuine refugees. I think capacity to cope should be based more on population size and income levels than geographical proximity.

This thread is depressing. What happened to the 'could be my child' Mumsnet compassion of the Summer?

Experience? Common sense? A deeper understanding of the facts - that continuing to open the borders further up in Northern Europe won't do anything to stop more children drowning? Any number of things really.

'Maybe they want to come here because they speak English, or mistakenly believe we will be kinder to them.'

Doesn't make sense to me. It's just a language thing and the UK are softer??

'What happened to the 'could be my child' Mumsnet compassion of the Summer?'

People woke up and started using their brains as well as their hearts.

'Tories have critisised Cameron's response so I don't think it is a hard left thing to recognise how wrong the situation in Calais is.'

It is an extreme minority, hard left position: the most recent YouGov poll found that 73 per cent of British people do not want to take any migrants from the camps in France. Indeed, 61 per cent of people who voted for the Labour party in 2015 felt the same way.