to object to MNHQ forcing a MALE/FEMALE gender binary on my account.

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I don't have any GENDER.

My MN account forces me to pick from two 'genders'.

I can't even opt out, it's a forced binary choice.

I'm not agender, pangender, cisgender, transgender, male gender, female gender or ANY GENDER.

If you want to know my sex, I am happy to provide that information. But you'll have to add that in as a field, because it doesn't exist currently.

Sex and gender are not the same thing. If you insist on collecting data by gender and making it a forced choice I would like an option as follows:

"Reject gender as a harmful, made up, bullshit concept".

Then when you analyse your account database you can say
X% identify as female gender
Y% identify as male gender
Z% reject gender as a bullshit concept.

AIBU to request MNHQ to alter my account details so that they do not misrepresent me?

Time is measurable (speed the earth spins at etc), gender is not

Time is measurable only because we invented the construct of measuring it. Thats the point.
Gender is measurable because of milennia of us measuring and declaring it.
Like time, gender is invented. It's no less real though.

It's the body.

In what way is it the body? I can't experience your personal experience, so you will need to explain/elaborate if you want people to understand. If you don't, fair enough. I am trying to understand where you are coming from.

With what you've said so far I don't see why becoming a trans woman would be the obvious resolution in your case, as you've said you don't think you identify as a women per se.

means you identify as female

Never said that.

It's the body.

Apologies. I had assumed that you were born in a male body which to you was wrong, so transitioned to a female body to which you was right - I equated this with you identifying as female.

This is such a non-issue. Sigh.

Ego
My chromosomes are wonky. (Not the sex ones, a couple of the other ones)
This had shitty implications for me when getting pregnant.
I don't like this about myself. I rather wish my chromosomes were different. They are what they are though.
My chromosomes have medical implications for me that are different from yours. I found a support group of people that I shared this anomoly with because I had this feature in common with them and it had a material impact on our lives that we could share with each other.
That group would have been pointless for you to join. I daresay anyone not facing the same issues would have been unwelcome had they attempted to claim membership of that specific group.

"I do not understand your post dratsea" Sorry: It was in response to : "Words fail me. I only understand how one of those criteria has any relevance to you accurately ascertaining a person's sex."

I replied:

"I often did not make the diagnosis first time, sometimes got it wrong again next time, rarely failed totally but did fail. I think I did OK and probably marginally better with ascertaining sex, (have already admitted to my one failure surprise.)"

I was a surgeon so tended to make diagnoses about surgical problems, I hope that I had a good track record. I was asked to advise on some difficult "intersex" patients, in one case was part of a team and we got it "wrong".

Time is measurable only because we invented the construct of measuring it. Thats the point.

No time is measurable because the sun rises and sets once a day, the earth goes around the sun once a year.

Gender is measurable because of milennia of us measuring and declaring it.

Sex is measurable. Gender isn't eg today pink = girls, blue =boys, it used to be the reverse. Gender is what people think each sex should be like.

Like time, gender is invented. It's no less real though.

Time = real = has a specific definition based on physically existing phenomena
Sex = real = has a specific definition based on physically existing phenomena
Gender = social construct = based on what society thinks about the sexes

This is such a non-issue. Sigh.

It really isn't. Unfortunately most people don't understand or can't be arsed to try to understand why it is an issue.

It really isn't. Unfortunately most people don't understand or can't be arsed to try to understand why it is an issue.

One of my colleagues is gender binary and they also think it is a non-issue, to be fair.

Yes, of course it's bollocks. I'm sure all the gender critical people here will agree with you. What is your point?

One of my colleagues is gender binary and they also think it is a non-issue, to be fair.

Good for them. As you can see, other people don't.

No time is measurable because the sun rises and sets once a day, the earth goes around the sun once a year

No, seriously no. We invented the construct of year. It's ALL a concept.

And since when has "measurable" been the best metric for whether something exists? Is love measurable? Is that bullshit, does it not exist?

You all have such a narrow view of gender as a construct, from one particular (very current) angle. You fail to embrace the entire concept.

I think a lot of people are mixing up "something we dislike and disagree with" and "something that doesn't exist".

I'm going to link to this piece again moreradicalwithage.com/2016/01/06/gender-is-not-a-binary/

It really is very, very relevant...

I think a lot of people are mixing up "something we dislike and disagree with" and "something that doesn't exist"

I think a lot of people are mixing up 'something whose definition I'm confused about but in whose existence I'm invested' with 'something that exists and is the same as time'

Time passes. We can observe this. The concept of a year is imposed on it, but its passing is undeniable, however we measure it.

If gender isn't measurable after all, how do we decide that someone is more of one than another?

No, seriously no. We invented the construct of year. It's ALL a concept.
Based on solid reality.

And since when has "measurable" been the best metric for whether something exists?
"Measurable = quantifiable"

Is love measurable? Is that bullshit, does it not exist?
Isn't love just your primal need to reproduce? That aside, how do you quantify love? You can't. You can argue that it exists,but you can't quantify it.

You all have such a narrow view of gender as a construct, from one particular (very current) angle. You fail to embrace the entire concept.

What is the entire concept?. Surely gender is what society thinks a man or woman should be like?

You fail to embrace the entire concept.

What is gender? Is it like a soul?

Well not really - the earth takes the same amount of time to orbit the sun no matter whether we exist to measure it or not. It's not the same as gender.

Ego - personally, I appreciate you talking about tour experience of sex dysphoria on this thread. I know people accuse you of merailing threads but I've never actually seen you discuss this so it's useful to me.

I wish we knew where sex dysphoria comes from. It must be psychological but also probably hormonal. I don't know whether you had more female physical characteristics than the average male but that is a thing that happens. Slim, low muscle mass, high voice, delicate features etc. That must be hormonal I think.

The experience of feeling wrong in your body isn't exclusive to people with sex dysphoria. Loads of people share that experience.

Based on solid reality.

Yes indeed. Where did you get idea that it wasn't, SecondViola?

I appreciate you talking about tour experience of sex dysphoria on this thread. I know people accuse you of merailing threads but I've never actually seen you discuss this so it's useful to me

And me. I genuinely want to understand where you are coming from.

Define gender, Viola.
Just define it.
If I have one and don't know it, tell me what it IS and what my choices are.

This is becoming quite an interesting thread, actually.

It is so much easier (for me) to understand an experience of thinking you're actually in the wrong body, rather than one of thinking you're the wrong gender based on activities you like, clothes you want to wear, mannerisms etc.