to object to MNHQ forcing a MALE/FEMALE gender binary on my account.

[HairyLittleCarrot]

I don't have any GENDER.

My MN account forces me to pick from two 'genders'.

I can't even opt out, it's a forced binary choice.

I'm not agender, pangender, cisgender, transgender, male gender, female gender or ANY GENDER.

If you want to know my sex, I am happy to provide that information. But you'll have to add that in as a field, because it doesn't exist currently.

Sex and gender are not the same thing. If you insist on collecting data by gender and making it a forced choice I would like an option as follows:

"Reject gender as a harmful, made up, bullshit concept".

Then when you analyse your account database you can say
X% identify as female gender
Y% identify as male gender
Z% reject gender as a bullshit concept.

AIBU to request MNHQ to alter my account details so that they do not misrepresent me?

Yanbu,8

Nothing feminine in the slightest about a kilt, Zing. Trust me

I think the OP has been misunderstood by some posters.

I believe she was trying to draw attention to the fact that the choice of the word sex to denote male or female is now almost void.

As PPs have stated gender is ambiguous at best, there is no stated standard.

So, for example my if my sex is male ie born with the associated genitalia and chromosomes but if I identified as a female, I would tick the female box if using gender tick boxes.

The issue with word "sex" is that there are those who do not identify with the sex ( biologically speaking) of their birth.

Hell

Definitely not.
I think I'm gonna watch Braveheart

FREEEEEEEDOOOOOM!!!! (from the gender binary)

But it's a drop-down menu, you can change it daily. I might do that, see if I get offered some power drills instead of chocolate and nappies.

I wish this was all I had to worry about...

I think the OP has been misunderstood by some posters.

I am fairly confident that by December, this will still be in the running for understatement of the year.

Out of interest, Ego, are you popping onto threads about camping and skinny jeans to point out that there are no threads in Chat or AIBU about cologne? Even though, as is clear, many people access MN through Active and would therefore post on one of the active News threads instead of starting a thread elsewhere? I think those threads are at well over 5,000 posts between them.

OP has been misunderstood in the last couple of pages esp.

It's about the replacement of the word "sex" with a non-word "gender".

'Sex' - biologically female or male or biologically intersex

Gender - doesn't exist or is basically what you "feel like" on any given day. And is tied into rigid and invariably oppressive cultural norms.

And it's nothing to do with political Conservatism. I'm a pro-Corbyn socialist who despairs of Maria Miller's committee report yesterday because of concerns about what it means for biological women in particular and the understanding of language.

Op and Maria Miller are diametrically opposed on this issue.
Op is not arguing for more gender options, she's arguing that gender is meaningless and shouldn't be given as an option in place of sex.

I think the reason there are so many trans threads on mn is because it's one of the only sites where women can discuss the massive ramifications the concept of gender identity has for the reality of being female. Even the most bland, mainstream feminist sites have banned any discussion of it, and any display of even slightly gender critical attitudes just results in a barrage of 'die in a fire terf' comments. So mn provides a space away from the misogynistic dick worshipping that goes on in other feminist spaces.

Ironically if someone had posted threads in Chat or AIBU about Cologne they would have been told off by the thread policers and informed there were long threads in In The News they should go on.

Yy, Allmybest!

Wow!

XY, male married to XX and we have children.

Also a paediatric surgeon and got volunteered to be a coding author circa 1990 for what is now known as SNOMED CT which is what the NHS was meant to be working with.

So first problem: infantile hydroceles, not same as adults hydroceles and need to be called, rather classified as, PPV and in same category as hernias. Job done!

Second day at work, classification of conjoined twin infants, I think I did a good job. Logical, still there as written, job done within the week.

But gender????? What a train smash. OK start with the last (23rd, non-autosomal or sex) chromosome pair: XXY, add mosaic, and XY with suppression of Y. Managed. XY but lacking enzyme to make testosterone (look female, have vagina, but no ovaries and high incidence of inguinal hernia, always check for an ovary in a girl with bilateral inguinal hernia) tricky but sorted in a month as a classification.

We then had options for coding "gender" and that took a year. I think the final decision was M/F/not known/undecided. But it was during this debate that the key flaw was revealed:

A classification comes with rules (any coders, .8 = specified other but not elsewhere classified and .9 not known) But a nomenclature is a set of terms that have no rules, can be mutually contradictory and overlapping. What we made for gender was a classification. Most of this thread is about nomenclature.

Several billion was spent on SNOMED CT, but OPCS 5 and ICD 10 are classifications. SNOMED (standardised nomenclature of medicine) is a nomenclature. They cannot be combined into a unified system. What a waste of your money.

I think the same is happening here, good luck but please do not waste too much time/bandwidth/heart beats.

Oh and toilets/showers, in NZ most unisex, bit strange to start with, but it seems to work.

Dratsea, I'm not sure I understood your post thoroughly, though it sounded like you were making quite an important point.

Can you explain (in English!) the difference between classification and nomenclature? I think I get it, but am not 100% sure. I do understand that you're saying nomenclature is a minefield and we shouldn't waste too much time on it; though actually I would probably agree with you, I will make my own decision on that - once I understand what you're saying properly.

Yanbu Carrot, although you have been horribly misunderstood by some posters.

Dratsea
are you conflating 'sex' and 'gender' in your post?
I know this is done even in medical papers sometimes, but the entire point of the thread is that sex refers to biology, chromosomal makeup, phenotype, genotype etc and gender is a social not medical concept, all about feelings, identity, preferences.
so you can code the SEX of an infant, but impossible to code it's 'gender'.
humans are bipeds. The existence of people who present as statistical anomolies (amputees, conjoined twins) do not render this untrue. They present a challenge in classification but we are still a bipedal species.
the same applies to sex. intersex and mosaicism and other conditions do not change the fact that humans are male/female (plus anomolies)
This thread isn't referencing intersex conditions and how to classify them. It

Posted too soon.
It is exactly the use of the term "gender" when we should use "sex" that prompted the OP.
I think your post referred to sex, not gender.

Hi Jux, there is intelligent life on MN, but we both know that.

Let me use colour:

"yellow" has a wavelength of about 570nm. There is probably a strict limit of + and - but we can classify a light as being yellow if in that range. If it is not yellow it does not have a wavelength in that range. If it does not have a wavelength in that range it is not yellow. A classification.

"White" paint can be:

off white
warm white
oatmeal white
shining white
brilliant white
gloss
enamel
emulsion
indoor
3 season outdoor

etc, a nomenclature, a series of words to describe but not classify, they overlap in both directions. I did try to do it with yellows but got too messy.

And LGBT terms are a nomenclature, not a classification and it helps (me) to make the distinction.

In my work we have "gender neutral toilets" which are basically the disabled loos with a new sign.

I am not sure how I feel about this.

However, I use them because they are big and I can take a shit in peace.

Are you saying there are shades of male and female?
I'm not clever enough to understand your posts, sorry

Good point re classification v nomenclature, dratsea.

HLC The words "sex" and "gender" can refer to both to classifications and nomenclatures. "sex" can also be answered, none, not enough, frequent reluctant or even yes please. I think the word "gender" may be used, perhaps wrongly, as a sort of shorthand for perceived body image, but only if as a classification rather than a nomenclature. I agree with you that it is not be a binary choice and the question is poorly presented. The census in Auz a few years back had a question "were you born in Auz" if yes go to question xx if not next question was "length of residence in Auz" and at least 10% of replies were in feet rather than years. I hope I have understood that to be the point you originally posed and yanbu.