to ask someone to move their child out of my plane seat

[kipperssippers]

more of a WWYD then AIBU but...
i booked the seat by the window as i always do and when i got to my seat a child around 8 was in my seat with her mum beside her.
When i got there i told the mother that the window seat is my seat and she said her child wanted the window seat to look out, i then replied then you should of booked one.
I didnt want to cause a scene but the women made out i'm an arsehole for asking her kid to move as she had never been on a flight and wanted to look outside.
I did give in and stayed pissed off for 7 hours in my non window seat.

what would you of done in this situation?

If you think you're kind to others, judging by your attitude on here you appear to be seriously deluded.

I'm kind to most people sooty but if people are horrid like they are on here I will call it

Look Cats you crack on with your holier-than-thou-and-I-have-the-spreadsheets-to-prove-it attitude, just don't kid yourself that you are the only kind caring person in the whole country and that the rest of us are evil witches who enjoy making children unhappy.

You behaved like an arse on the train and now you doing the same on MN. You are of course at liberty to behave how you like (what with England being a free country) even if you don't like the residents.

You do know you wouldn't be able to be quite so lairy on NM though, don't you?

who enjoy making children unhappy.

Well you obviously do but you're just "teaching them life lessons"

And don't start AIBU threads asking for opinions and then kick off when people don't agree!

I would have let the kid have the seat for a while but I would gave wanted it for the gest part of the flight. I book the window got myself to send I do it for a reason. Perhaps the mum will learn for next time.

A bag of sweets is totally different in that it's designed for sharing. Not that I would buy them anyway, but no, if they screamed loudly at their mother "I want that!" And ignored her telling them to behave, I wouldn't, because that is totally undermining her parenting and teaching children they can always have what they want if they throw a strop. They need to learn that behaviour isn't acceptable.

Would you give a strange child your book to borrow on public transport just because they screamed they wanted it? Even if it was totally non age appropriate?

cats

Be careful giving other people's children sweets etc they might be seriously allergic to won't you.

And fuck me your a brummie. Help. I might emigrate to Scotland and join expat up there.

NM does seem nicer than MN. MN seems like a cliquey school gate at times

You're so right, I do suggest you pop over there.

At no point have I said that I make children unhappy nor did I make the comment about the life lessons. HTH.

I don't understand why the child is more important than the adult who paid for the seat!

I am terrified of flying and I carefully choose the seats I want and pay for them as it makes a huge difference to me. I therefore expect to sit in that seat, not somewhere else so that a mother who is too mean to pay for a seat choice can sit their child there.

If I'd got on the plane and found the child in my seat I would have first asked the mother nicely to move her and if that didn't work I would have call a member of cabin crew over - no way would I have moved.

I just put kids first and try to help others! I think it's common decency to let the child look out the window

You have moved the goalposts.

First, it was simply a nice thing to do.
Now, it is the right thing to do, and to refuse to do so is somehow ill-mannered.

I don't put kids first as a rule. I put children first in situations of danger. I put children first where I am reasonably able to accommodate their wishes at no great cost to myself. I do not put kids first if the cost to myself is, as far as I can tell, greater than the benefit to them.

I would shove anyone's child out of the path of an oncoming car. In the height of my fear of flying, I would have physically removed the very same child from the seat I had booked.

what is this "Brum" of which you speak?

We established on the train thread - it's London, or nonLondon. "You lot" outside don't get to have actual place names if you please.

Whatever will the nonLondoners ask for next? Collapsing buggies?

I'm quite young also, I don't turn 19 for a few more weeks. Actually maybe I AM still entitled to A Child's Joy I still wouldn't sit in someone else's reserved seat though!

"it is not entitled to be kind to others."

But it IS entitled to demand kindness from others, TheCatsMeow. You can decide to be as kind as you want, yourself - you cannot force others to do something you have unilaterally decided is kind.

If I have bought myself a cake, and decide to offer half of it to someone else - that is kind. If someone else demands I give them half of the cake, that is not them being kind, it is them being entitled - and if I give in, and give them the cake, I am reinforcing their entitled attitude.

Kindness is something that comes out of the giver's heart - it is not something they can demand from another person.

"I do nice things for people who I see."

Unless they want to get off the train, TheCatsMeow...

I am trying to understand and I think I'm getting there. Cats is perfect. She is kind to all children and it doesn't matter how a child or a mother asks for something, the fact they are a child means they are entitled to whatever they are asking for.

That's Fact 1.

Fact 2. Parents aren't responsible for how they ask for something. They have a child so they can have whatever the child asks for. They can even be rude about it but it's the child's joy that matters.

Fact 3. Cats regularly gives up things or gives people things. She expects to be paid back. She had what the rest of us would just call a busy journey home on a train recently. No one jumped to it with loads of favours so we're all cold and unfriendly.

Fact 4. Birmingham people living within a few hundred yards of Cats are alright. The rest of the country isn't. I won't repeat the insults but we're just not. Especially London!

Fact 5. It's never about the mother and the way she is bringing up her child. If a child wants, he/she gets. End of.

I've got it now.

The other thing to point out with the food thing is there are people like my sister who HAVE to eat at certain times or their blood sugar crashes and they end up in hospital. If someone tried to guilt trip my sister into sharing food with a child just because I would be beyond angry. You cannot assume when you don't know.

So glad Cats comes from Birmingham thats at least 250 miles from me probably more

I talked about life's lessons. Growing up is learning. About Life. Nowt wrong with that. unless you're Cats and then life lessons are only quoted by "hard faced" people, i.e me!

Children do actually have to learn that life is not always a bed of roses at all times. They have to learn that if they are sitting in someone else's seat, then they have to give it back. That is a basic fact of life. If the OP had booked a window seat, then that seat was hers, particularly if she had paid extra. If she had chosen to allow the child to sit in it for a while, that would have been nice, but not obligatory.

If parents constantly pander to their children's whims at every turn, those children will turn out to be spoiled and rotten, eventually.

Funny that you didn't mention you were from Brum when you said you said Birmingham's alright. Strange almost.
Anyway I maintain if you'd have pulled the same stunt you would have been cussed out. Also if you came through New St, Moor St or Snowhill and blocked the exits you 'd have been asked to move by the conductor or by platform staff fact!
What I'm trying to say is I think you're full of shit basically.

Kindness is something that comes out of the giver's heart - it is not something they can demand from another person

^ This

That child who demands a window seat when 8 yrs old, will be the adult who won't give up a train seat for a pregnant woman. Why should they? They've always got what they wanted.

sugar Can we all come and stay with you then - some of us have to live close to Birmingham

Just realised - I use the Birmingham train twice a day - I really hope I don't encounter Cats and her pram because I would of course have to get off the train immediately so as not to cause any inconvenience to any nearby children.

Awad fail, I live in Birmingham smile no one "cussed me out". In fact once it cleared people were okay

Then you know that if a guard had seen you blocking the door then you would have been told to move I've seen this happen

You will also know that you saying no one ever folds prams in Birmingham is also incorrect. as witnessed today

Some of the things you have said on this thread are imo borderline racist and silly.

If you hate the country, have dual nationality, don't think of yourself as English then why don't you consider emergrating? Or is it that if you actually lived there you'd find that the grass isn't always greener?