to complain about antibacs being used instead of bleach?

[Blue14]

Using bleach is not going to kill off the human race, using antibac cleaners might well, so why do so many people use antibacs and think they are taking the high moral ground?

There are other agents in domestic that kill all known germs dead. That is why they are getting away with it. Pure bleach on work surfaces will not kill germs without previous sanitation.

What's the problem with veganism and cleaning products?

"What's the problem with veganism and cleaning products?""

The background of animal testing and in some cases, they still test on animals.

The environmental impact of some of these substances entering the seas/soil etc.

We generally over use harmful chemicals.

Everyone on here complains of bleach and takes to oral high ground, but doesn't mention jumping into their gas guzzelling 4x4's to go buy their anti-bac sprays.

Firstly I never take the oral high ground especially when it comes to bleach.

Nor do I own a 4x4.

Mrsd .

Bleach is a strong and effective disinfectant. Its active ingredient, sodium hypochlorite, denatures protein in micro-organisms and is therefore effective in killing bacteria, fungus and viruses. Household bleach works quickly and is widely available at a low cost.
Department of Health - The Use of Bleach

Ha ha Mrs!! Made me laugh!

If our poster is referring to the fact that many dint seem to know. Antibacterial cleaners work in a similar way to antibiotics and the FDA in the US have give companies a deadline to prove they don't cause a problem with antibiotic resistance and that they clean significantly better then just using soap and water. Or they will have to withdraw all products from the market as it could be contributing to a big problem (how they ever got let out I'll never know, well that's actually due to the legislation for soaps/cleaning products being a lot less tight then for drugs).

I'm fairly sure we will see these products all being banded within the next 5 years and many have been talking about this since they came out.

Although I have very little Knowledge on bleach as a cleaner only use it down the loo. Hot soapy water for everything else and I don't seem to have given anyone food poisoning yet.

Who are these people?

I'm wondering that too. Who is having these conversations and adopting a superior (or inferior) stance on the basis of their choice of cleaning product?

I don't understand your theory Slut! How can bleach kill germs on a precleansed surface but not on an uncleansed surface. It either kills germs or it doesn't?

Also, the term bleach is just a word used to describe a variety of chemicals which have the ability to remove colour. A side effect of this is they also kill bacteria.

Bleach does kill germs but won't necessarily clean the surface.

The difference between cleaning and disinfecting. Cleaning will remove any debris for further bacteria to grow on. But bleach will kill bacteria.

It's not my theory btw it is training I have received on this subject.

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I get the OP here. Any product designed to kill bacteria must surely encourage mutations and new resistant strains of bacteria rendering the product useless. For this reason and because some bacterial contact is good for you overall I avoid antibacterial products. Would be astonished if someone took the moral high ground with me over my choice though.

Perhaps Blue14 is on a Decluttering FB page I'm on at the moment? (hi everyone - long time lurker first time poster here 😊

There is a large discussion, somewhat heated in some instances, regarding cleaning. (I've been all but called a murderer for suggesting we need neither bleach nor antibacterials)

I'm Australian and we've long been advised to not go overboard with antibacterial style cleaners. I believe the "science" suggests that, just as we've created superbugs by our overuse of antibiotics, we are likely going to create super bacteria in our homes as our "normal household bacteria" evolves to become resistant to antibacterial cleaners. Healthy immune systems need contact with normal household germs in order for them to learn to fight the germs (that's as technical as I'm prepared to get).

The FB page is predominantly US citizens and a lot seem to have a bit of an obsession with bleach vs antibacterials.

Quite often a good scrub with soap and water and the drying process will remove most harmful bacteria anywhere. If there is nothing on a surface for pathogenic bacteria to survive on such as water and a food source then they will die.

If MN is anything to go by, most people just live in the midst of a ton of mould and caked on slime and grease, such is the general horror and outcry at the very thought of bleach.

Or at least, that's how last week's thread which dared to mention the B word went....

One of the biggest marketing coups of the last 50 years is antibacterial hand wash. Normal basic soap is antibacterial............

We don't use antibacterial stuff at home beyond the very occasional squirt of bleach in the loo but those people saying they avoid anti back all the time must never have worked in an office when they have to hot desk.

There is nothing worse than getting in late and seeing the only free desk is the one you know is covered in your germy colleagues sneeze spray and nose leakage. Grim! I'd like to bleach my entire office every other day.

With Palomb here - are you confusing anti-bacterial with anti-biotics? They're quite different!

Antibacterial is a type of antibiotic

The issue is that with antibacterial sprays etc they live a residue on the surface. This places bacterial populations under stress, the weaker die, the stronger survive. This encourages bacterial strains resistant to the type of antibacterial spray you use to evolve. It is possible that some if these evolved bacteria (depending on the antibacterial they have developed resistance too) may also be resistant to specific antibiotics.

What slut is trying to describe is that bleach is inactive in the presence of other organic matter. So if you pour bleach on to a dirty kitchen counter too and do nothing else it will not work it can not penetrate the dirt.
However, if you scrub away the organic matter and physically make the surface clean the bleach will work to kill the germs.
Bleach alone is not as effective as antibacterial at killing germs or make the area clean.
Antibacterial alone will kill the germs, but not make the area clean.
Antibacterial or beach combined with elbow grease with kill the germs and make the area clean.
I often feel that antibacterial is being used instead of elbow grease.

Fresta The reason for this is physical. If the bacteria is encased in grease etc, the bleach cannot have access to it and can't work because bleach is not a detergent. To to clean properly (to the point of bacteria killing) using bleach you have to first use a detergent to clean and then apply bleach to kill any remaining bacteria.

I like bleach because I like the clean smell but don't use it as I do not want a sterile environment. I want my immune system to have something to think about!