to not want my DS to be confronted with this large poster when we go to cinema?

[HubbaBubbaMum]

Went to cinema this week with DH, planning to take DS and his brother tomorrow for birthday treat. I can't believe that in 2016 we will be forced to walk past this poster and that they have even called the film Dirty Granpa!
www.movieinsider.com/posters/277857/

Really??? Letching older man perving young woman's suggestively raised arse whilst other man holds 'petrol nozzle' pointing at her?? I don't want my sons seeing this sexist shit.
(only one cinema in our town btw)

"You withdrew one personal comment. Apparently "cowardly tribal bigot" still stands."

That's not the comment I made, you've exaggerate, which calls your integrity into question.

The comment I did make still stands.

Hahahaha. I exaggerate.

Yes. Us women are prone to it, apparently. Good night, Brightside.

I know hundreds of men and have encountered thousands

and, let me guess, none of them… or perhaps a tiny minority… have ever passed an uninvited comment at, or pointedly ogled (so that she is aware of the attention rather than having private 'lustful' or critical thoughts), a girl or woman who is simply going about their everyday business.

Anyway, we're overestimating this shit, making it up, being neurotic and seeing sexism in our cornflakes. Doesn't happen all the time to women and girls everywhere. Nope. Not at all.

I think you're vastly overestimating. We will need to agree to disagree.

We will agree to disagree on what it's like as women to spend most of our teens and twenties being ogled, whistled at, and groped? And yes, that does happen - constantly - and yes, posters such as the one that kicked all of this off scaffold a culture which makes men feel that is an acceptable way to behave? Yet you feel you are in a position to contradict so many women telling you how that is for us? When you are a man?

"My view on what life is like for a woman is as valid as a woman's, even though I am not a woman, and I will spend an entire thread lecturing women on how their experience of being women is all wrong, and I know so much better."

Do you really not see any problem with that?

Let's cut through all this crap O Lord

You said: 'I know hundreds of men and have encountered thousands'

And you came across that poster of those hawt young men and posted it.

Don't get me wrong, I admire fit bodies too, though I like to look them in the eye.

But don't tease. Is there something you're bursting to say?

YABU, DS won't pick up on it, he probably won't even notice it. It's not like it has bright colours and fun stuff on it. And he definitely won't get the pump bit lol

The fact young kids may not overtly pick up on this doesn't mean they don't internalise it.

I'm a feminist but I still say and think things that put men in charge, subconsciously, sometimes assume the worst of women in set circumstances without knowing the facts, judge women on their looks - the only reason I know I do this, and fight to combat this is because I have thought about it. All this crap imagery doesn't help children grow up to know that patriarchy is bollocks!

HubbaBubbaMum you can challenge this images with your kids and explain how silly they are, at an appropriate age but I think if you feel strongly you should write to the cinema. Obviously there are choices for this stupid film so they could pick a less offensive picture to advertise it.

Just as an aside anyone may wish to look at these sexist clothing ads with a male version. Notice here it is not just the sexualised images of women but in one of the two you can't see her face, she's just a shape, an object!

www.businessinsider.com/if-men-posed-like-female-american-apparel-models-2013-5?IR=T

And not because the "feminists have won", but because the ad execs will actually think about what's offensive to women instead of what appeals to men.

So this film/poster only appeals to men? Rather sexist?

The 'cool girls/women/gf' etc line always gets trotted out to the people who don't agree with something, to patronise them or insinuate that they are only doing something to be cool to their partner.
so people are ok with the magic mike posters because it's about the film, but not this one?
When this one is showing exactly what he is like in the film...but then again most people have no idea what the film is about.
I am against sexism.
i see it on here but it's not towards the women.

Can you really not see the difference between the Magic Mike poster and this one? Have you got better examples than Magic Mike for comparison?

This is not about the film - it is about the poster. There were obviously different posters made to promote the film - it is about the decision to use this particular poster.

I don't think you are being unreasonable in so much as this is one of the most sexist film posters I've seen in a while. Vomit.

However, the cinema will be advertising for all sorts of films - they aren't the ones who design these things. You could register a complaint with the cinema, or use it as an opportunity for a conversation with your son about sexism.

I'm surprised such a brilliant and respected actor as Robert De Niro wants the younger generation to view him as a dirty old man in some shitty gross-out comedy.

Or for his legacy to be a few comic roles in some crappy films over the last few years.

Surely he's still offered great character roles?

He's hardly skint, what the fuck is he doing?

Making himself even less skint. It's what actors (of both genders) do.

And cinemas are usually under contractual obligations to display the stills for the next film they are showing, and indeed the trailers, which is why the studios issue lower-rated trailers for higher-rated films for when a higher-rated film is going to follow a lower-rated film - if that makes sense.

The cinema doesn't get a choice in what posters they put up. And while films like this are being made, they will advertise them and people will watch them. But feel free to write to the cinema, or better yet go in and complain - it will give a good laugh to a few people doing a low paid job.

The only way to stop this kind of thing is for the films not to be made - good luck with that.

And fwiw I wouldn't go to see it but luckily I don't have to, neither do any of you!

As for preferring nobody to see the poster, by all means be concerned about what your children see, but you can't censor what the general population sees just because you don't approve otherwise I would have banned all 50SOG books and films for crimes against literature/film making/good taste

And as for 'what is offensive to women' that is all kinds of wrong. Are we a hive mind? I personally find that incredibly offensive in itself. There is no 'offensive to women' - we all have different sensibilities.

Although I can't believe I'm saying that on a thread railing against sexism.

Livia, would you agree that this particular poster is objectifying the woman shown? Whether or not you find that personally offensive?

No - it makes RDN look like a sad old fucker. I don't think it does objectify the woman.

"Unless you know the context, it's not even clear he's looking at her backside"

Oh please! Why is she even in th

..e poster then?

This kind of stuff is everywhere. Your son may not notice it now but it will seep in at some level. How can it not?

Most people would surely look at that poster and think negatively of RDN character rather than positively, precisely because he is leching at her.

So he's the one that looks like a dick (no pun intended) rather than the woman looking like something out of a Carry On film.

"No - it makes RDN look like a sad old fucker"

A sad old fucker who is one of the headliners in the movie, who we will no doubt be told to sympathise with, and who will be earning considerably more than the headless woman in the poster.

If you RTFT, you'll see that objections were registered with the ASA - the UK's advertising regulator, not the individual cinema. Films need to be advertised, yes that's true. But they will advertise them differently in different countries. There have already been two other "Dirty Grandpa" posters shown in this thread. In a similar way, the book "Men Who Hate Women" was rebranded as "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" in the UK and US but kept its original title in Sweden and other places like France.

How many equivalents of this film poster can people think of with the gender roles reversed?

Surely it's up to parents to teach their children what is or isn't acceptable within their own personal morals? I know of plenty of teenagers who are well aware of feminism because they have been brought up with it - if seeing the odd 'ironic' (I think it's supposed to be, anyway) poster is going to take the world back a few decades in gender politics then perhaps we have a little more to worry about.

Maybe RDN is just having fun making a few shit films in his old age?! Who are we to judge him for it?!

I don't find it offensive at all and tbh I find the attitude on this thread to be not very nice! Surely part of the main themes of feminism is the right and freedom to believe and hold whatever opinion you want to because it is your opinion and should be respected as such. By forcing the hive mind opinion on to posters, it is oppressive. You are basically saying they can't hold any opinion if it differs from yours!

Everybody has different experiences. I personally have never felt objectified and have never been groped, whistled at etc. I've obviously been lucky, but my point is your experiences colour your opinion towards these subjects, and someone who HAS experienced the above would be able to recognise it more readily and would be more sensitive to it as a subject.

I just see a (admittedly lazily designed and executed) poster for a film. Certainly no worse than this poor effort -
images.moviepostershop.com/magic-mike-movie-poster-2012-1010751331.jpg

Apologies for rambling and possibly incoherent post, I'm dying of bronchitis at the min!

It's up to parents to teach their children what is and isn't acceptable, and it's up to everyone to register objections and discuss things they find unacceptable in society.