To not get schools issue with dyed hair?

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I suspect I may get flamed for this but I genuinely do not get it.
They have a rule against earrings including sleepers. That I get especially with younger children or in sports were children can end up getting them at worst ripped out.

I can kind of even get extreme haircuts with big shaved stars or strange styles that look unprofessional and might not be allowed by adults in a professional work place.

But this week and last term several of senior age children who had dyed hair brown/red/dark purple etc were sent home from school to re dye or put in isolation by teachers with errr brown/red/purple dyed hair! One of the children's teacher has bright purple hair. It does not make her any less of a English teacher or lesson her professionalism in school I don't reckon so what is the problem for teens?

Yeah but no chewing gum makes sense. improper disposal is disgusting and hard to remove.

not being allowed to remove a blazer serves no purpose whatsoever and is just the head on a power trip. sane witg hair colour. unless F u Sir is shaved into the back of the head it's completely inoffensive and harmless

I think childhood is the time when you should be free to explore your individuality. Plenty if yime on life to be a conforming adult.

Former teacher here and personally I can't see what the fuss is about wrt socks and hair colours etc. Have known head teachers who moan to kids about wearing blazers, then fail to get proper supply teachers to cover a GCSE class. Some schools really have their priorities arse about face.

My children's old school was very strict on uniform, right down to the black socks. The vast majority of pupils managed to abide by the rules.

DS2 is a student nurse, he wouldn't be allowed to pitch up on the ward with purple hair with stars shaved in. Anyone with long hair has to have it worn off the collar, the same as it was when I was a student nurse in 1992.

Because it's teaching a lif lesson to teens

The lesson is in the real world you can't dress how you want unless

Your a millionaire
Or are self employed

Most jobs have dress codes there are people who I have seen on those shows who want to have a blue Mohawk or a tattooed faced unless you going into the building trade or unconventional work they largely remain unemployed with most emplyers wanting someone to will dress accordingly

Often it's also indicative of a wider lack or displine if you won't follow the dress code what other things will you not do will you turn up on time will you follow health and safety

I don't think dyed hair equates to lack of achievement either, but I think that's missing the point, as does drawing a comparison between teachers' rights to express themselves and pupils' right to express.

To my mind, it's about abiding by rules, no matter how daft, as that's what happens in real life. It's good training.

And all the guff about "yuman rights": tough

No hairspray seems bizarre - I did a lot of dancing straight after school, so often went in with my hair in a bun. Any bun/French plait will stay in better and look tidier if it's had a squirt of lacquer!

I think it's a way of measuring how well the children follow rules, without it being a huge problem if they break that one.

I know a pupil who had ends dyed. Told a week to sort it or suspension.

The thing that made me giggle was she was told the dying itself was not a problem but they wanted it 'blended in better'. The hairdresser who did her hair after went to same secondary and said the teachers there picked on certain pupils. 4 of her friends had dyed hair and one day a teacher pulled her up and said she had to get rid of her highlights as weren't in keeping with policy. They were natural highlights as in never been dyed!

I work in a school and have pink ends!

I also think it's important that there are rules, as I firmly believe in teenage rebellion. If the rules are less strictly applied, there's nothing to rebel against.

I hate the obsession with uniform in schools, it seems to take up so much time. Recently they were making the girls stay in at break for uniform checks, checking to see how short their skirts were. A lot of parents got very upset and complained to the school. The headteacher said if we did not like it we could send our daughters to other schools. The boys were not having uniform checks.

I would be very happy with no uniform. My kids primary did not have uniform and it was so much easier. They wore what was clean and comfortable.

We have lots of problems with our education system and the schools waste so much time on pointless uniform.

stardusty are you seriously saying that unless a child spends x number of years wearing uniform to school they will fail to learn or understand that they need to wear sinething smart to an interview? Really? You must have a very low opinion of most teenagers' intelligence.

I'm totally bemused at this idea that people won't conceivably be able to work out that they may need to conform to clothing rules in the workplace unless they've spent their childhood having to wear pointless blazers and ties. How on earth do you imagine that that works in countries where few if any schools have uniform rules? Yet they still manage to use uniforms in their armed forces and for people like police and nurses.

i would bring them back in myself, with my dyed hair, and ask why teachers are subject to different rules than my child

As an adult you accept that there are potential and actual consequences of doing things 'outside of the norm' in your workplace. Someone who turns up unwashed, scruffy with bright pink dyed hair isn't going to do well in a banking environment, for example. Maybe it doesn't affect how they do their job, but it will affect how customers react and ultimately, will lose a business money.

As a parent, you accept that there are rules when you send your child to a school. If this is one of the rules, you abide by it, because that teaches your child that respect for authority is important, even if you don't necessarily agree with a particular rule. Because you know full well that if your child has career aspirations where purple hair is going to be a disadvantage, you are going to encourage them to do whatever they need to do to fit in or change their aspirations to somewhere where their particular personality might be more accepted. Fitting in is an important life lesson.

I also think you will find that the most successful schools out there - the ones with the Ofsted outstanding gradings - are ones that have total control of the small stuff like hair dye. Because if they can't control the small stuff, what chance do they stand with the bigger stuff.

To my mind, it's about abiding by rules, no matter how daft, as that's what happens in real life. It's good training.

I'm struggling to think of daft rules that we have to conform to in real life. Examples?

Apart, that is, from mythical health and safety rules that the likes of the Mail keep trotting out.

Well I've never heard triangular flap jacks being banned anywhere other than a school in the papers though so how true it is I don't know

but squares are ok.

except they can be broken into two triangles ya dumbass

This boils my piss too.

Yes, they have to wear school uniform and be smart but does being a child also mean you have to supress your self expression?? Because thats what it suggests - you can't dye your hair blue because its not school uniform? But what about the rest of the week? Again, earings can be removed and replaced at the end of the day, the same with other peircings. I was perfectly happy for my DD to have her lip peirced when she was 15, i even went along to the peircers with her to make sure it was done properly. I was ready to fight her corner if they told her to remove it, they didn't. She did have to wear a daft blue plaster over it in games though

So unless a child is going to shave a swastika in their head, or a giant cock then i really don't think the school should have a policy on hair other than long hair being tied back for subjects where this might be an issue.

Things like trainers, no, - you can wear them at home, but hair is part of who you are so if my DD2 decides she wants to shave it all off and dye pink spots on her head, i might try to dissuade her quite persuasively, if it really meant that much to her then fine.

Teachers are there to teach, not dictate how my child expresses herself outside of school.

Gruntled, most young people would understand this distinction of course. Mainly because their families have also helped them to see this.

But there are children from families who do not have traditional values about work ethic and how your appearance influences how people react to you. School needs to plug that gap, and since school may not be there on the morning of the crucial interview, they have to get the message across in a more explicit way.

To my mind, it's about abiding by rules, no matter how daft, as that's what happens in real life. It's good training

Now I know where all those petty bureaucrats come from.

stardusty are you seriously saying that unless a child spends x number of years wearing uniform to school they will fail to learn or understand that they need to wear sinething smart to an interview? Really? You must have a very low opinion of most teenagers' intelligence.

Quite. All the teachers have to do is tell them what's expected of them in an interview and why, and what the consequences of not looking the part are.

Is it not about the rule itself, and the fact that it exists means that it must be followed? (In the same way that there are laws that are - frankly - bad law - but this doesn't excuse you breaking them as an adult.)

But making everyone war uniform and stivk to srticty rules is what causes the conformity in the first place, those kids grow up to be adults that conform to a set of image standards, if they wer'nt made to at school, maybe it wouldn't be expexted as adults?

Kids are smart and observant and if they don't already know it, they will realize in good time that there are certain occupations in which pink hair will be acceptable and certain ones in which it will not. They do not need to learn that or have it reinforced in school.

I don't think that following arbitrary rules teaches kids to follow rules, nor does drudgery at school in general teach kids to tolerate drudgery.

I wouldn't mind, for the record, if pink hair and piercings were acceptable in all occupations, so if these young kids grow up and change the system, all the better.

We should all, children and adults, be railing against arbitrary, nonsensical rules!

In some ways, hefzi, yes I believe so. It's about understanding what the rules are, learning how to follow them and understanding that there can be consequences to operating outside the rules.

Laws and regulations are explicit and easy to follow. Subtle etiquette and learning how to fit in when needed is more complex.

Possibly not a good idea to teach children that they can choose to ignore rules if they want to, or if the rules seen irrelevant, silly or inconvenient. Lots of children and young people now seem to get a kick out of deliberate rule-breaking for the sake of it.

In years to come, they will need to obey the law (whether they agree with those laws or not), and if they're allowed to break rules when they feel like it now, isn't that teaching them that it is also OK to break the law?