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To not get schools issue with dyed hair?

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fitforflighting · 06/01/2016 13:29

I suspect I may get flamed for this but I genuinely do not get it.
They have a rule against earrings including sleepers. That I get especially with younger children or in sports were children can end up getting them at worst ripped out.

I can kind of even get extreme haircuts with big shaved stars or strange styles that look unprofessional and might not be allowed by adults in a professional work place.

But this week and last term several of senior age children who had dyed hair brown/red/dark purple etc were sent home from school to re dye or put in isolation by teachers with errr brown/red/purple dyed hair! One of the children's teacher has bright purple hair. It does not make her any less of a English teacher or lesson her professionalism in school I don't reckon so what is the problem for teens?

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TheBestChocolateIsFree · 06/01/2016 16:48

None of my adult workplaces have ever allowed non-natural hair colour. Banned under the "extremes of fashion" clause. So yes the HT absolutely could enforce that rule on their adult employees if they so chose - and if they thought the current teacher supply and demand situation made that a sensible plan.

MrsDeVere · 06/01/2016 16:48

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whois · 06/01/2016 16:49

Those who disagree with strict uniform rules in schools, how do you feel about the same rules in the armed forces? My dd has just started as an RAF cadet, as expected there are strict rules about uniform, hair, boots have to be clean and polished and so on

Fine, because you have a choice to join cadets. Most people don't have a choice of school.

MrsDeVere · 06/01/2016 16:51

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RiverTam · 06/01/2016 16:58

Me too. My last manager had purple hair. Horrors! I've had colleagues with tongue studs. Yikes! I've worn flip flops to work. Shocking!

stardusty5 · 06/01/2016 16:58

I believe that there is always a 'uniform' whether it's dicatated by the school or by the kids themselves.

If the school dictates it then it's always the same. Yes it's unfashionable but often the naff shoes and naff trousers and naff hair are more affordable than the latest trainers or bag or shoes, or razor cut or highlights.

Some kids don't want to stand out. The school can then take the role of the meanies who make sure you don't have "cool" hair, and you don't have to admit that it's you or your family that are the losers.

Employers also do certainly judge you on appearance and your "individual" hair. It's foing kids a favour to teach them HOW to conform when it's required. Where what you want in your own time.

stardusty5 · 06/01/2016 17:00

Spelling atrocious in that last post, apologies

Where?!? Wear. Blush

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Gileswithachainsaw · 06/01/2016 17:02

Yanbu

last time.i check hair was not responsible fir a child's behaviour. we teach our kids not to judge on appearances then they are punished fir how they look.

nonsense.

they'd be outrage if someone.moved seats on a bus based on someone hair or piercings yet to kids in schools it's acceptable to remove them.from.class?

GruntledOne · 06/01/2016 17:02

gruntled there are also under-subscribed schools. Maybe they are the ones without such strict rules.

Sure. But what if the under-subscribed schools aren't in your area?

It's worth pointing out that St Paul's Girls' School has no uniform, is heavily over-subscribed and gets excellent results, even by comparison with other independent schools that have uniforms. So clearly the lack of uniform doesn't correlate with schools being under-subscribed.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 06/01/2016 17:06

so - as someone else aksed earlier - why no uniforms at university if they are so important in preparing people for the world of work?

GruntledOne · 06/01/2016 17:08

Very few people who live in towns and cities genuinely don't have a choice. They may not like the other choices, but that's not the same thing. Are there really no other schools within an hours travelling distance of your home ?

In many areas that is precisely the situation. I can't think of any maintained school, free school or academy in my local area that doesn't have a uniform requirement. And it's pointless saying the child can travel for an hour, if they live that far away from the school in question they're unlikely to get a place anyway.

GruntledOne · 06/01/2016 17:10

It's all part of getting used to following rules, I believe.

But pupils will learn how to follow rules by following the sensible ones, e.g. about behaving in class, being polite and considerate to everyone else in the school, getting homework in on time etc. Making them follow stupid rules is highly likely to be counterproductive: what they will mostly learn is how to evade them. How many of us, for instance, used to roll our skirts up at the waist to get round rules about skirt length?

stardusty5 · 06/01/2016 17:11

Alec- there is a big difference in the level of social know how and self assurance between an 18 year old and an 11 year old.

I repeat my point that there is a difference between knowing how to conform but choosing not to and not being able to fit in with social norms, try as you might.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 06/01/2016 17:12

"They are at school for what, 39 weeks of the year, 9-3.30pm? There is plenty of out of school time for them to express themselves."

But the hair colour they are allowed in school also dictates the colour they can have out of school doesn't it. You can't keep dying hair everyday when you get home from school! So having a rule about hair colour overflows into their lives out of school and I think that's wrong.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 06/01/2016 17:13

what used to annoy me at my son's school was that he had to wear a light blue short shirt that you could only buy in packs of two (£14 a pair) from one shop in the town - equivalent (long sleeve) light blue shirts in asda/tesco/matalan etc were much cheaper

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 06/01/2016 17:15

stardusty5 - but the argument is that school age kids should ear uniform+ have certain hair colour/styles because this will prepare them for the world of work. If that is true then it should also be true of students at university.

Gileswithachainsaw · 06/01/2016 17:17

I'm sure everyone would turn down treatment from a dr based on their hair colour or a hole in the nose....

Nibledbyducks · 06/01/2016 17:17

I do think teachers should wear a uniform, the Millgram experiment proved that people are more likely to do what they're told by someone wearing uniform, so why on earth would you put students in uniform instead of staff!!!

GruntledOne · 06/01/2016 17:18

what used to annoy me at my son's school was that he had to wear a light blue short shirt that you could only buy in packs of two (£14 a pair) from one shop in the town - equivalent (long sleeve) light blue shirts in asda/tesco/matalan etc were much cheaper

That's another of my rants. I used to have to pay £12 for shirts that I could get for £3 elsewhere, just for the privilege of having the school logo on the stupid things. And the logo would be covered by the sweatshirt most of the time anyway.

NewLife4Me · 06/01/2016 17:21

I just think you have to go by what the school rules are if your dc don't want to be in trouble.
Some rules do seem ridiculous and the same rule may not apply to other schools, it's just the way it is.
Chewing gum isn't allowed on the site at my dds school but I know others where dc regularly chew out of lessons.

stardusty5 · 06/01/2016 17:23

I don't agree i'm afraid. A school's remit in terms of how they are expected to impact on child's understanding of the world and their place in it is far far broader than a university.

A lot of what i personally would see as a parent's role is pushed into schools constantly. Healthy diets, British Values, personal finance, online safety... And employment is part of that.

Yeah kids. Turn up to that dream interview in the clothes you'd wear to the pub. If they don't like it then it's THEIR loss sweetheart. Hmmm. It's valuable to know and to 'get' the default setting for what is appropriate at work. And if you end up working somewhere that allows flip flops and mohawks then it's a bonus surely? Smile

LaurieLemons · 06/01/2016 17:24

They like everyone to look 'normal'. Are you telling me dyed brown hair is a problem? That's ridiculous. My guess is they are getting tired of deciding whether a shade is ok or not so they've just said no hair dye ever. I wonder what they do if someone bleaches their hair? Insist they walk around with yellow/white hair? Detention until it grows out?Confused

DadKeepsCalm1 · 06/01/2016 17:24

Their is a very strict uniform/hair policy at their school. No dye, no gel or hairspray, dss school however has no sort of hairstyle rules but hair can not be completely shaved or cover the eyes.

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