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To not get schools issue with dyed hair?

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fitforflighting · 06/01/2016 13:29

I suspect I may get flamed for this but I genuinely do not get it.
They have a rule against earrings including sleepers. That I get especially with younger children or in sports were children can end up getting them at worst ripped out.

I can kind of even get extreme haircuts with big shaved stars or strange styles that look unprofessional and might not be allowed by adults in a professional work place.

But this week and last term several of senior age children who had dyed hair brown/red/dark purple etc were sent home from school to re dye or put in isolation by teachers with errr brown/red/purple dyed hair! One of the children's teacher has bright purple hair. It does not make her any less of a English teacher or lesson her professionalism in school I don't reckon so what is the problem for teens?

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echt · 09/01/2016 10:25

echt are we talking about secondary age children? I'd assume they're old enough to be left for 5 minutes.

No, the teacher has full responsibility at secondary level too, once they're in the room.

echt · 09/01/2016 10:28

You were complaining about not being able to take a piss in class.
If you need to urinate during class time, surely you can understand why a child would. If you don't why do you care that you can't?

I wasn't complaining about not being able to take a piss. It was not about me. Didn't you see the "the"?

It was about both pupil and teacher having the same time to go to the lavatory.

TheCatsMeow · 09/01/2016 10:28

echt which is a completely different reason for not being able to leave the room than stopping a child using the loo

echt · 09/01/2016 10:29

I'll correct that: I said "you the teacher". I still didn't mean me personally.

pieceofpurplesky · 09/01/2016 10:30

There was a thread about toilets a few weeks back. I like the suggestion that teachers can nip out for 5 minutes but the reality is the toilet nearest to my class is a 4 minutes walk away - so that's 8 minutes plus wee time! Teachers are not allowed to leave a class unattended - even the best behave kids in a class of 30+, 30 etc will not sit quietly and stay on task of left alone - not a discipline issue but a teenage one!

I allow toilet for anyone if in the lessons that do not follow a break. For the rest (unless medical. - pupils in my school have a medical card and it is also flagged in the computer system - a good teacher will be aware of this) I say that they can go but they can make up the time missed at the end of the lesson - this way the genuine requests go - not the ones that want to text someone or meet a mate! Works perfectly and pupils are never kept more than a couple of minutes (pupils toilets much nearer!)

echt · 09/01/2016 10:31

echt which is a completely different reason for not being able to leave the room than stopping a child using the loo

I really don't get what point you are making here.

My point was that both have the same amount of time to go to the lavatory, so both should use it.

TheCatsMeow · 09/01/2016 10:34

echt the reason the teacher can't leave the room is that they aren't allowed to leave the students. The children have no such responsibility.

It's like complaining that as a manager you work longer hours than your assistant manager. The jobs are different, you don't have the same responsibility.

echt · 09/01/2016 10:34

I say that they can go but they can make up the time missed at the end of the lesson - this way the genuine requests go - not the ones that want to text someone or meet a mate! Works perfectly and pupils are never kept more than a couple of minutes (pupils toilets much nearer!)

A good one. I'll use it. Our systems show genuine need, too. I hadn't though of the make-up time for the chancers.:o

echt · 09/01/2016 10:38

echt the reason the teacher can't leave the room is that they aren't allowed to leave the students. The children have no such responsibility.

Not the point I was making.

It was about the time available for both to use the lavatory. The comparison with teacher responsibility is that if teachers don't go to the lavatory, they have to hang on, while some would argue that it's OK for pupils not to.

A dramatic juxtaposition.

Kind of thing.

TheCatsMeow · 09/01/2016 10:39

echt but teachers take the job knowing they can't leave the classroom, pupils rarely have a choice to attend school.

pieceofpurplesky · 09/01/2016 10:41

I do apologise for typos and spelling mistakes - have been up all night with ill DS and am in a zombie state

pieceofpurplesky · 09/01/2016 10:44

Cats you are stating the obvious. The thing is though that pupils sometimes don't actually want to go! They just want to go meet a mate, get out of a test, phone a mate in another class (and usually the person they are ringing tells the teacher anyway!) ... It's about finding a system that works best for you and the pupils.

echt · 09/01/2016 10:47

echt but teachers take the job knowing they can't leave the classroom, pupils rarely have a choice to attend school.

Not sure what this has to do with wanting to leave the the class to go the toilet:
especially in secondary,
especially since I've been at pains to point out the leeway for girls and periods
especially since I acknowledged medical notes
especially since I mention this was all about pupils wanting leave class for the lavatory after a break.

FelicityFunknickle · 09/01/2016 10:49

echt it doesn't matter that it wasn't specifically you
The point is you were bemoaning the fact that the teacher cannot leave the class to pee. Why is that a problem? Might a teacher need to leave the class to pee? If not, why does it matter that you are not permittd?

pieceofpurplesky · 09/01/2016 11:00

Felicity she said 'the teacher' - as in generally.
Like with hair and uniform - arguments are irrelevant when there is a rule in place. A teacher cannot leave a class unattended. End of argument.

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fitforflighting · 09/01/2016 11:15

I do think it is somewhat an unhealthy message though from the schools who openly have uniform policies on the basis of 'not distracting boys' and I have seen son publically say so.

Girls you cannot wear a bra that might be seen through your blouse, your skirt too short or the wrong shape etc. You must wear clothes and behave a certain way as a child so as not to affect the opposite sex? How far do we go from that to well the girl who was raped was wearing a short skirt in town.
Its not something I feel comfortable with and tbh it is also insulting to male staff and children.

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fitforflighting · 09/01/2016 11:18

'I say that they can go but they can make up the time missed at the end of the lesson - this way the genuine requests go - not the ones that want to text someone or meet a mate!'

Great idea.

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fitforflighting · 09/01/2016 11:21

*some

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FelicityFunknickle · 09/01/2016 11:32

I know what she said piece I pasted on my post.
Why does it matter that the teacher cannot leave the room?
Why would the teacher want or need to leave the room?
There was a distinct expression of annoyance (illustrated by the use of "fucking") about a student wanting to leave the room after each break and at the fact that the student wanted to leave whilst the teacher cannot.
Sounds like I'm not allowed to leave the room so neither should you be allowed
or how dare they want to leave the room to use the loo when the teacher is nor allowed to go to the loo

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/01/2016 11:54

Felicity

Maybe piece was expressing annoyance because it can be/is annoying.

"Sounds like I'm not allowed to leave the room so neither should you be allowed"

Just because IYO it "sounds like" doesn't mean that it is.

TheCatsMeow · 09/01/2016 11:57

Sounds like I'm not allowed to leave the room so neither should you be allowed
or how dare they want to leave the room to use the loo when the teacher is nor allowed to go to the loo

That's what it sounds like to me too

FelicityFunknickle · 09/01/2016 12:08

Yes catsmeow
Perhaps it sounded like that because that is what was being said.

FelicityFunknickle · 09/01/2016 12:13

*Try being the teacher on a lesson straight after recess or a lunch hour who has the same pupils. every. fucking. time. time wanting a piss.
That's the same piss you, the teacher, cant have+

what on earth does this mean then?
because, tbh I think I could handle that.

FelicityFunknickle · 09/01/2016 12:16

in fact, at work, I would always facilitate a loo break for someone in my office.

pieceofpurplesky · 09/01/2016 12:23

Felicity once again a classroom is not like a place of adult work and children are not like adults. There is always one child lesson after lesson that needs the toilet - straight after lunch break. What echt was expressing was the annoyance that a child did not go during that time - yet wants to go 5 minutes after the lesson started. They are 11+'and therefore know how their bodies work. This is why I use the system I do - my pupils know this system and don't try to take the piss Wink

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