To not get schools issue with dyed hair?

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I suspect I may get flamed for this but I genuinely do not get it.
They have a rule against earrings including sleepers. That I get especially with younger children or in sports were children can end up getting them at worst ripped out.

I can kind of even get extreme haircuts with big shaved stars or strange styles that look unprofessional and might not be allowed by adults in a professional work place.

But this week and last term several of senior age children who had dyed hair brown/red/dark purple etc were sent home from school to re dye or put in isolation by teachers with errr brown/red/purple dyed hair! One of the children's teacher has bright purple hair. It does not make her any less of a English teacher or lesson her professionalism in school I don't reckon so what is the problem for teens?

"My principle happens to be that I conform to the rules of the workplace, or try to have them changed by the proper means available. It would be entirely unprincipled to undermine the work of a colleague."

The kids don't come first, gotcha.

I do thanks Lord. Am still working now (in between posting on here) I work very hard as many people do. But most other professions don't get criticised like teachers do for every aspect of their job.

And I endorse what echt says.

Thanks sooty I am just getting lost with all of Lord's expert opinions on education and teaching.

so long as it is not ridiculously applied
I can truly see the benefit of a teacher, an important person in a child's life, if they are skilled in such matters, offering a bit of friendly advice about make up should the situation arise.
But I am aghast at the arrogance displayed in relation to just being right about....... Everything!
And even more so by the lack of self awareness in the matter.

"Teachers don't make the rules. Sigh. You just don't get this, do you?"

People who don't agree with silly rules don't spend much time or zeal enforcing them. there's upholding the rules and upholding the rules, isn't there?

"My principle happens to be that I conform to the rules of the workplace, or try to have them changed by the proper means available. It would be entirely unprincipled to undermine the work of a colleague."

The kids don't come first, gotcha.

I really really don't see in what way the interest of the pupils are being somehow sidelined by my refusal to break my conditions of employment and undermine my colleagues by not adhering to the school's rules.

Would you care to explain? I can see from your posts that you don't deal much with reasoned arguments, but go on, try.

No. You just don't get it. echt was right.

Should I have respected my smelly dirty maths teacher when he questioned my appearance because I wasn't wearing the right jumper?

there's upholding the rules and upholding the rules, isn't there?

Again, more gnomic utterances.

Lord's comment is easily understood Imo.
If a rule is considered by a staff member to not be of benefit to pupils and the staff member religiously sticks to amd enforces the rules in deference to the othe adults present then the child's interests are not paramount.

Your first loyalty is to your colleagues and a set of rules. You will give this primacy over educating children. You will rigorously. enforce rules which are not in the interests of learning, causing disruption to education because you are told to.

A child's hair colour is none of your business in law, regardless of the school rules. Just get on with your actual work of educating children and not your pretend job of policing hairstyles.

"Again, more gnomic utterances."
Yet you understood it. And opted to dodge it.

Felicity it is not arrogance - I could say the same about you because you have an opinion. I am Giving my personal opinion on things and how I do them and how they work where I work - yet have been called a liar, that I lack integrity etc. Other teachers have been called unprincipled, lazy and so on.
This is a forum for debate - you are also arguing that you are right. Is that not what happens? Two sides don't have to agree but we are allowed to put forward a our opinions

Lord yes you should have respected your maths teacher. He was a figure in authority. Obviously you will not agree and have a sarcastic comment to say but yes ... In order for the learning to continue you should have done as you were told. Then the teacher could get in with their job of teaching

Felicity you could also flip it and say if pupils complied with the rules their parents agreed to then there would be no time wasted on those pupils and education could run smoothly.

I have no prejudice about red lipstick but do think there is a time and place and it does not fit in with the discreet make up allowed.

So 11 year olds are allowed to wear make-up but not red lipstick?

Should I have respected my smelly dirty maths teacher when he questioned my appearance because I wasn't wearing the right jumper?

Very likely he was as bound, as teachers are, to follow the rules about uniform. His dirtiness/smelliness is another matter, and you/your parent would have been well in order to complain about it.

Of course you don't have to respect him, but you do have to make a show of doing so. It is respect for the position of responsibility the teacher has, even when the individual falls away from the best expression of it.

In my job I do it all the time. The very idea of respecting everyone in its fullest sense, as it is often bandied about, is the kind of respect that develops over time. In the meantime, I pretend. It's called manners in social life and good professional conduct at work. I keep up this pretence when dealing with people I do not value personally or professionally, and I'm very good at it.

Again, more gnomic utterances."
Yet you understood it. And opted to dodge it.

I didn't understand and still don't. Could you explain what you meant?

If a rule is considered by a staff member to not be of benefit to pupils and the staff member religiously sticks to amd enforces the rules in deference to the othe adults present then the child's interests are not paramount.

There can be no assumption of deference to others, it's about abiding by the rules of the employer. I see no particular benefit in uniforms, but it is not my place to skirt round the rules to satisfy myself. Change by the proper means is fine.

"Lord yes you should have respected your maths teacher. He was a figure in authority. "

I didn't have any respect him. As well as the personal hygiene issues he was generally a prick. Why would anyone respect or listen to someone in those circumstances?

Another teacher once told a boy in our class he was thick and made him crawl to the corner of the class on his hands and knees. We were about 12/13.

My classmate did it. The teacher tried to pretend it was a joke afterwards.

Would my classmate have been wrong to refuse?

There can be no assumtion of deference to others
Well, quite, no assumption needed, it was clear that the teacher would defer to their bosses and colleagues.

Rules is rules Lord

Seneca if you had read my posts I said out older girls are allowed discreet make up and the majority comply. In year 7 they are not allowed so red lipstick kind of stands out.
The biggest issue with the older ones at the moment is long gel nails with it being after Christmas and they have not had them removed. Would dread to think how much damage could be caused in a fight!!
The majority of the girls in my school apply make up beautifully (lots of our girls study hair and beauty at the local college as an option). Some girls need a lesson in how to apply foundation and I have in the past suggested that some girls try a tinted moisturiser (not in lesson time but at lunch time when on duty).

Lord of course that was not correct and would not happen today - if it did the teacher would be fired. Education and teachers bullying children has moved on from those days - mainly because of rules that staff and pupils have to obey.

Would my classmate have been wrong to refuse?

No.

Well, quite, no assumption needed, it was clear that the teacher would defer to their bosses and colleagues.

This about conditions of employment, not kow-towing to some nefarious regime. This about hair colour, after all, not something worth jeopardising your job over.

It's astonishing the way that teachers doing a part of the job they're obliged to do is being represented by Felicity and Lord as some kind of moral/ethical deficit.