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To cut all ties with a good friend of mine as I cannot take this anymore.

95 replies

Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 18:10

Hi, I'm a long time lurker on MN, I realise that on this board in particular people can very often be roasted and told to keep their noses out, focus on their own life etc etc so I'm a little dubious to post but her goes.....

I'm undecided whether to cut all contact with a good friend of mine who I've known since I was five (25 years!) due to her lies and manipulative ways regarding her break up with her partner, I'll start from the beginning. She has three children to her partner, they both work, her around 16 hours a week and he is self employed. Around two years ago they announced that they were separating and not long since after I had suspicions as to why they suddenly announced they were parting ways and I'm afraid my suspicions were justified.

She confided in a mutual friend of ours that she and her ex weren't indeed separated and that they had decided between them that he would move in with his uncle (single and no children so has a spare room) and that she will remain living in their rented house with their children.

Like I said I'm preparing myself to be told to mind my own business but I simply can't condone what my friend has done and continues to do. I realise that the pair of them are playing the system perfectly as due to the fact they "technically" do not live under the same roof my friend can now claim housing benefit, council tax benefit, child tax credits, income support, free school meals etc that they were not entitled to before due to her partners wages. This in itself is a bit shocking as they are exploiting the rules but I'm fully aware that in the eyes of government they are technically just within the rules so nothing can be done.

Generally I don't care what other people chose to do or not to do, it's their lives and i was the same with my friend up until recently but I decided to ask her if this was a set up between her and her ex, she sort of dodged the question but didn't deny it so for me that was enough.

My problem is not that I'm a bitter, jealous, interfering person (which I'm sure someone will accuse me of being so) my problem is that my friend these last six months or so has become literally obsessed with money and insists on sharing almost every purchase she makes. She turns up to my house and frequently will sit there rhyming off what she has bought for her three children, she insists on telling me that they have too many designer clothes she doesn't know what to do with them, and she in the past has gone on to quiz me about what my children wear now they are getting older and she wanted to know everything that I had bought them for Christmas and then went on to better me and list everything her three were given (the list was boarder line obsurd).

I know that friends do occasionally discuss money but when she is doing what she is doing and then has the audacity to sit there and talk none stop about the subject, well it has got to me. One minute she claims to me and the world (Facebook, Instagram) that she is a lonely, struggling single parent and the next she is shoving her huge purchases under my nose, telling me that she is getting an interior designer in to decorate her three bed council house that she has recently been given and that her and her ex are going to Mexico in April for ten days!

I simply cannot go along with her anymore and continue to sit there listening to what she has to say, one minute she makes me feel a little envious (who wouldn't love to have more money) and the next I feel like screaming at her and telling her to stop with all the shit! So would IBU to end the friendship out right or should I confront her first? Although I'm not sure what could be salvaged.

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thelittleredhen · 05/01/2016 15:33

Well to be honest, I don't see what the problem is.

If anything, you should feel sorry for her. She's parent to three children 7 days a week while he lives the life of a single man enjoying having his wages to himself.

True, she'll get benefits: housing benefit, tax credits and working tax credits and it will seem like she's getting a good deal out of it - but when you think she has 3 children all to herself - unless he's staying over, you should feel sorry for her really. Even without the benefits, it's pretty shit moving out to live with a family member leaving your THREE children with their other parent.

WestCoastDreamin · 05/01/2016 15:44

A girl I know has just finished a jail sentence for exactly this, and her Facebook (and her parter's Facebook) posts were used as evidence. People are stupid - if she's boasting then she's going to drop herself in it and won't need any help from you.

Distance yourself.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 05/01/2016 17:08

No she hasn't west because the ops ' friend' is not committing any offence.

The friends boyfriend is actually living elsewhere, for tax credits as they are not married or seperated due to a small handful of other reasons then they cannot be deemed to be LTAHAW the important bit of that being LT it stands for living together

GreenishMe · 05/01/2016 20:07

Needs...haven't you ever heard of Concentrix?

NeedsAsockamnesty · 05/01/2016 20:19

Yes,of course I have.

Knowing the name of the company who does a lot of the compliance checks and knowing that they get a lot of the wrong and cause issues for people that can eventually get resolved does not change the actual rules that they should be following.

There are a small handful of reasons why a couple who previously cohabited will still be considered to be a couple those are normally situations where the couple intend to cohabit again in the future and are only living apart due to a perticular circumstance like MOD,hospitalisation that sort of thing.

There are also a huge group of questions they are allowed to ask you to work out if two people who house share are a couple or not,or if a still living under the same roof seperated couple are actually seperated.

But if you do not meet the criteria to be considered to be LTAHAW then you don't.

Concentrix or HMRC looking into it will not change the actual rules.

The staff handbook is availible online to read a great deal of it is blanked out due to FOI act exclusions but a lot isn't.

Couples chose not to be cohabiting for a great many reasons often those could be financial,this is perfectly legal.

GreatFuckability · 05/01/2016 20:29

she sounds incredibly tedious to be around. so on that basis, i'd end the friendship. but shes not doing anything illegal if they dont live together. My ex and i seperated for 2 years previously and in that time we did spend time together as a family, we took a couple of holidays together etc as we were trying to salvage our relationship. but we had seperate households and finances.

MaisyMooMoo · 05/01/2016 20:51

I had a friend very similar to your's. Over time we drifted apart because I felt we didn't share the same values. As the years passed I realised how materialistic she could be. And, I suppose I was angry, angry because I was working several jobs to make ends meet whilst she was doing a very well paid cash in hand job whilst claiming benefits. I think if you're gonna live like that then do it, just dont rub it in people's faces.

GreenishMe · 05/01/2016 20:54

Equally (Needs), the actual rules will not prevent Concentrix from looking into it if her name's trawled up. If their finances are in anyway inter-linked she'll have a hell of an ordeal to contend with - legal or not.

I take the point that 'technically' they're not living together but if a couple who've had children together are still regularly shagging each other, they're still a couple - not two single people....no matter what their postal addresses are.

TheseBedroomWalls · 05/01/2016 20:57

OP it is none of your business!! So get your beak out. And you don't sound such a stellar friend, mouthing off about her online for everyone to see! I can't stand all these sanctimonious idiots coming online to complain about their friends....when all the time the disloyalty and using their friends to create threads is THEIR shame!

Darvany · 05/01/2016 21:02

Cut ties. With friends like you...

Twowrongsdontmakearight · 05/01/2016 21:09

OP if you have no respect for someone you can't be their friend. So time to disentangle yourself from this one.

FWIW I believe you as a distant family member did something similar (her BF claimed to live with his mum and that she was a single parent. They were able to go to Disney Florida when we could only afford UK camping!).

redannie118 · 05/01/2016 21:17

This reply has been withdrawn

The OP has privacy concerns, and so we've agreed to take this down now.

Psycobabble · 05/01/2016 21:40

Those that are saying a single mum on benefits won't be raking it in well no generally speaking they aren't and I'm not a benefits basher have been on them myself in the past but I think some are missing the point

Let's say the op is to be believed and it's not far fetched people do actually do this

If they lived together and brought in say 20k from his income and nothing else then he moved out and pays minimal rent to his uncle and still earns 20k

On top of that now they will also be bringing all the benefits she's entitled to even if that was only 800 pound a month say then there 800 pound a month better off . So not unreasonable to suggest there would suddenly be a lot more disposable income to chuck about. I also think this is illegal if you check tax credit guidelines

Either way your friendship sounds over anyway I honestly wouldn't get that worked up about what someone else is doing

MLGs · 05/01/2016 23:02

Well if this is true she sounds terribly boring, so I wouldn't seek her company.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/01/2016 00:20

greenish

Lots of people for lots of reasons decide they may wish to be in a relationship but not one of a cohabiting nature.

I couldn't live with another adult male in that context again no matter how much I liked them.

If they have joint finances then she is going to cause herself difficulties proving they are two seperate households not impossible but aggro she won't enjoy,but given that the op appears to suggest he has actually moved out it is highly unlikely that they wouldn't have also seperated finances.

FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 06/01/2016 09:47

I knew this would go like this.

Crimes are crimes and should be treated appropriately, apart from when it's benefit fraud and then it's all snidey comments and made up little stories that bear no relationship to the OP.

I'm not sure I'd be able to have a relationship with someone so blatantly cheating the system, the same as I wouldn't if it were someone committing fraud against the company they work for, or telling their parents one story so they would give them money when it was untrue.

And the point is not that she is rolling in benefits but that she wouldn't be entitled to so much if she were truthful about her situation!

Witchend · 06/01/2016 11:20

She sounds boring to be with.

However the boasting sounds like it hides insecurity. So I suspect that they have genuinely split up but either she deluding herself into thinking it's only for money and they really are (or will be shortly) still together, or she feels really splitting is shameful and people will view her differently so she's hoping saying that will mean people gossip/judge less.
I suspect the former.

WestCoastDreamin · 07/01/2016 12:05

Needsasockamnesty - as far as I am aware, in the case I know of the partner was regularly sleeping at her house (although registered as living elsewhere) and she had not declared that she was benefiting from his income. The court found that to be enough to prosecute for fraud. Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick but I thought OP said that the friends' partner clearly spends a lot of time at her house and they are clearly benefiting as a family from his earnings other than maintenance.

[shrug]

NeedsAsockamnesty · 07/01/2016 12:11

Then there is far more to the case than you know because benefiting from the earnings of your childs father even if you are still hanging out with him and still having sex and still bed sharing as long as he actually lives elsewhere is not a crime

NeedsAsockamnesty · 07/01/2016 12:14

If I had to make an educated guess, I would think they did not have independent utilities and he was not even pretending to live elsewhere.

Someone on benefits is entitled to have someone sleep over providing the intention and practise does not mean they really live together

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