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To cut all ties with a good friend of mine as I cannot take this anymore.

95 replies

Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 18:10

Hi, I'm a long time lurker on MN, I realise that on this board in particular people can very often be roasted and told to keep their noses out, focus on their own life etc etc so I'm a little dubious to post but her goes.....

I'm undecided whether to cut all contact with a good friend of mine who I've known since I was five (25 years!) due to her lies and manipulative ways regarding her break up with her partner, I'll start from the beginning. She has three children to her partner, they both work, her around 16 hours a week and he is self employed. Around two years ago they announced that they were separating and not long since after I had suspicions as to why they suddenly announced they were parting ways and I'm afraid my suspicions were justified.

She confided in a mutual friend of ours that she and her ex weren't indeed separated and that they had decided between them that he would move in with his uncle (single and no children so has a spare room) and that she will remain living in their rented house with their children.

Like I said I'm preparing myself to be told to mind my own business but I simply can't condone what my friend has done and continues to do. I realise that the pair of them are playing the system perfectly as due to the fact they "technically" do not live under the same roof my friend can now claim housing benefit, council tax benefit, child tax credits, income support, free school meals etc that they were not entitled to before due to her partners wages. This in itself is a bit shocking as they are exploiting the rules but I'm fully aware that in the eyes of government they are technically just within the rules so nothing can be done.

Generally I don't care what other people chose to do or not to do, it's their lives and i was the same with my friend up until recently but I decided to ask her if this was a set up between her and her ex, she sort of dodged the question but didn't deny it so for me that was enough.

My problem is not that I'm a bitter, jealous, interfering person (which I'm sure someone will accuse me of being so) my problem is that my friend these last six months or so has become literally obsessed with money and insists on sharing almost every purchase she makes. She turns up to my house and frequently will sit there rhyming off what she has bought for her three children, she insists on telling me that they have too many designer clothes she doesn't know what to do with them, and she in the past has gone on to quiz me about what my children wear now they are getting older and she wanted to know everything that I had bought them for Christmas and then went on to better me and list everything her three were given (the list was boarder line obsurd).

I know that friends do occasionally discuss money but when she is doing what she is doing and then has the audacity to sit there and talk none stop about the subject, well it has got to me. One minute she claims to me and the world (Facebook, Instagram) that she is a lonely, struggling single parent and the next she is shoving her huge purchases under my nose, telling me that she is getting an interior designer in to decorate her three bed council house that she has recently been given and that her and her ex are going to Mexico in April for ten days!

I simply cannot go along with her anymore and continue to sit there listening to what she has to say, one minute she makes me feel a little envious (who wouldn't love to have more money) and the next I feel like screaming at her and telling her to stop with all the shit! So would IBU to end the friendship out right or should I confront her first? Although I'm not sure what could be salvaged.

OP posts:
Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 19:40

But you're missing the point. Your ex has a new girlfriend my friend's "ex" doesn't, it's hardly the same. I've already said there's nothing wrong with wanting to keep things civil for the sake of the children but what my friend and her partner are doing is not your typical amicable arrangement, it's a well thought out concocted plan to increase their household income.

OP posts:
Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 19:41

Jealousy plays no part in this what so ever, but anger, disappointment and frustration do.

OP posts:
Paddletonio · 04/01/2016 19:42

Yanbu

Not sure why some are so sceptical that there are people out there brazenly cheating the system. There are plenty. I would definitely end the friendship as she sounds awful. I'd also consider reporting.

hadtoregregister · 04/01/2016 19:44

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Brightnorthernlights · 04/01/2016 19:44

Just out of interest (btw I would say walk away from this friendship, it doesn't seem to be working for you), several posters have said that the friend isn't doing anything illegal (taking as fact the pretend break up), is that true, is this sort of fraud really not illegal?

nocoolusernameY0 · 04/01/2016 19:50

Her partner is self-employed. If they were so intent on fiddling the system, he could just not declare his income, stay at the family home, and claim all of the benefits mentioned without any of the hassle.

I'm sorry but your story isn't believable.

FriendofBill · 04/01/2016 19:52

Would you prefer it if he abandoned her completely, perhaps abandoned her and made life difficult?

What's wrong with him doing a dinner, the garden etc.

Aside from this, you actually dontknow what is going on.

Do you get so 'dissapointed' with big companies swindling billions in tax?

FriendofBill · 04/01/2016 19:53

Bright you are meant to declare any payments in kind.
At the risk of disappointing the OP, my children's father pays the phone bill. I declare this.

RudeElf · 04/01/2016 19:55

I she is working 16 hours she isnt getting income support. I suspect you havent got all your facts straight. Unsurprisingly.

Gatehouse77 · 04/01/2016 19:56

Just my tuppence worth but when DH and I separated for 4.5 years, legitimately I should add, we were better off financially apart.

At the beginning I worked 15 hours per week so was entitled to Child Tax credit, child benefit, council tax reduction and free school meals. Then I upped my hours to 16+ so was eligible for Working Tax Credit too. Add to that maintenance from DH and my income was more than decent.

Because the kids got FSM they are still eligible for Pupil Premium despite DH and I getting back together.

When we got back together we didn't qualify for any benefits and I was made redundant.

It's a good system but there will always be people who take advantage.

Geekology · 04/01/2016 19:58

Gosh I read an almost identical thread not so many months ago Hmm

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 04/01/2016 20:23

If you no longer like someone, don't be their friend any more.

MrsJorahMormont · 04/01/2016 20:28

The MN hivemind doesn't like any insinuation that people cheat the benefits system. There are people who cheat, either illegally or in a moral sense without actually breaking any laws. If you think your frenemy 'friend' is one of them, report her. If her company is so irritating to you, then you'll be doing both of you a favour by not spending time with her.

This does sound a bit 'over-egged' as someone said upthread Hmm

GreenishMe · 04/01/2016 20:29

I think, in reality, the friendship is already over.

I have to admit it pisses me off that some people seem to be able to claim money they don't really need....it's the sort of behaviour that gave Concentrix 'justification' to persecute so many of us on here.

What's confusing me though is why the OP is being accused of making it all up. What gain is there for her in doing that?? ...weird

TenTinyTadpoles · 04/01/2016 20:32

Yes, it's used to vent frustrations but to give as much details as we're give In the OP is just not on IMO.

schlong · 04/01/2016 20:45

Are you a ministry of disinformation minion paid to disseminate anti benefit propaganda? Or am I overegging a rancid pudding?

sparkleup · 04/01/2016 20:46

Had a very good old friend do something similar and it really changed the way I viewed her and all our interactions. In her case she was being provided for by someone in terms of rent (hb paid to her direct to 'pass' to landlord), car (and expenses) and groceries at the minimum. She constantly complained how hard life was on benefits. She has friends who are genuinely struggling on benefits too and doesn't care because she feels she's entitled to them and her friends are idiots because they can't con someone into providing for them. That wasn't the person I thought I knew. And it certainly wasn't a person I could maintain a friendship with.

devoncreamtea · 04/01/2016 20:58

That is utter crap. Pop off and browse the daily mail op.

deplorabelle · 05/01/2016 10:07

I believe you OP (I don't necessarily believe everything your friend has told you though). I think your friend may have lost contact with reality and her wealth is smoke and mirrors propped up with a stupid amount of personal debt.

A family member of mine lost his mind spectacularly. He wasn't in a position to commit benefit fraud (much there was a little round the edges) but he did seem to decide the normal rules of society didn't apply to him and basically stopped going to work. His obsession was fame, not money. He hung out with his famous friends when he should have been in the office and spent money he didn't have. It was incredible how bare faced it was. He sounds quite similar to your friend.

He ended up getting arrested by the way though a few years on he continues in much the same way but "medical retirement" means he didnt need to work ever again.

Distance yourself from the friend but if you still care about her you may find yourself picking up pieces with her when it all goes pear shaped

NeedsAsockamnesty · 05/01/2016 10:22

But if they are living apart and he is maintaining his other accomadation then they are doing nothing wrong.

So what if that decision was made for financial reasons.

I wouldn't like to be forced to live with someone if I felt like doing so made me broke or not as financially independent from my boyfriend or father of my children as I would like to be, I may also quite fancy maintaining a none cohabiting relationship with him

daisychain01 · 05/01/2016 12:07

The sad thing is the belief that people claiming benefits are really "coining it" or whatever the ghastly term is.

Hey big news flash, they just aren't. The hoops you have to jump through and the justification needed, means people doing "stunts" like this are probably having to look over their shoulder. However jammy it might look to the casual observer. No point in frothing about it.

I'm of the "Just walk away, no point in getting embroiled in the minusciae" persuasion.

daisychain01 · 05/01/2016 12:18

Deplora your smoke and mirrors hypothesis is on the money!

pallasathena · 05/01/2016 12:31

Call the benefits fraud hotline and report it. What she is doing is just plain wrong. Social welfare is there for those in most need not for people who abuse and play the system. Seems she's a total twat too by bragging about it. I'm appalled that some here think its ok.
Integrity much?
Its about time people stood up for what is right in this country - and yes, it does matter when your taxes are being used and abused.

LaurieFairyCake · 05/01/2016 12:48

He's sleeping at his uncles place then?

That doesn't sound like fun for her, looking after all the nights.

He's also paying something presumably to the uncle?

His uncle is in on this too ? Hmm

Of course there are a few people doing this. A few get caught. A few have to look over their shoulder for a long time.

If he's not 'paying maintenance' through the CMS and she's not applied for it, it will add to it looking dodgy.

Report them if it bothers you. I don't envy them one bit, she sounds stressed and anxious having to keep up that pretence. The interviews under caution look no fun either.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 05/01/2016 15:19

pall

What exactly would the op report? He lives elsewhere,it is not fraud