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To cut all ties with a good friend of mine as I cannot take this anymore.

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Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 18:10

Hi, I'm a long time lurker on MN, I realise that on this board in particular people can very often be roasted and told to keep their noses out, focus on their own life etc etc so I'm a little dubious to post but her goes.....

I'm undecided whether to cut all contact with a good friend of mine who I've known since I was five (25 years!) due to her lies and manipulative ways regarding her break up with her partner, I'll start from the beginning. She has three children to her partner, they both work, her around 16 hours a week and he is self employed. Around two years ago they announced that they were separating and not long since after I had suspicions as to why they suddenly announced they were parting ways and I'm afraid my suspicions were justified.

She confided in a mutual friend of ours that she and her ex weren't indeed separated and that they had decided between them that he would move in with his uncle (single and no children so has a spare room) and that she will remain living in their rented house with their children.

Like I said I'm preparing myself to be told to mind my own business but I simply can't condone what my friend has done and continues to do. I realise that the pair of them are playing the system perfectly as due to the fact they "technically" do not live under the same roof my friend can now claim housing benefit, council tax benefit, child tax credits, income support, free school meals etc that they were not entitled to before due to her partners wages. This in itself is a bit shocking as they are exploiting the rules but I'm fully aware that in the eyes of government they are technically just within the rules so nothing can be done.

Generally I don't care what other people chose to do or not to do, it's their lives and i was the same with my friend up until recently but I decided to ask her if this was a set up between her and her ex, she sort of dodged the question but didn't deny it so for me that was enough.

My problem is not that I'm a bitter, jealous, interfering person (which I'm sure someone will accuse me of being so) my problem is that my friend these last six months or so has become literally obsessed with money and insists on sharing almost every purchase she makes. She turns up to my house and frequently will sit there rhyming off what she has bought for her three children, she insists on telling me that they have too many designer clothes she doesn't know what to do with them, and she in the past has gone on to quiz me about what my children wear now they are getting older and she wanted to know everything that I had bought them for Christmas and then went on to better me and list everything her three were given (the list was boarder line obsurd).

I know that friends do occasionally discuss money but when she is doing what she is doing and then has the audacity to sit there and talk none stop about the subject, well it has got to me. One minute she claims to me and the world (Facebook, Instagram) that she is a lonely, struggling single parent and the next she is shoving her huge purchases under my nose, telling me that she is getting an interior designer in to decorate her three bed council house that she has recently been given and that her and her ex are going to Mexico in April for ten days!

I simply cannot go along with her anymore and continue to sit there listening to what she has to say, one minute she makes me feel a little envious (who wouldn't love to have more money) and the next I feel like screaming at her and telling her to stop with all the shit! So would IBU to end the friendship out right or should I confront her first? Although I'm not sure what could be salvaged.

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WorraLiberty · 04/01/2016 18:38

If you have to ask random strangers on the internet whether you should talk to your 'friend' of twenty five years, I actually despair....

Donnadoon · 04/01/2016 18:38

I'm with you OP
£1k a month on top of his wages IS a lot of extra money if you're not really entitled to it, it can't be proved though so I would just cut contact and tell her why.

Zucker · 04/01/2016 18:39

Well she would be coining it in as she's basically using the benefits as a pocket money top up, not reliant on them at all. Report her and him.

Pyjamaramadrama · 04/01/2016 18:39

What a load of rubbish if she was working 16 hours she wouldn't be getting income support and free school meals

IPityThePontipines · 04/01/2016 18:42

Slightly off topic, but how and when did a goat become part of benefit bashing thread lore?

HortonWho · 04/01/2016 18:43

She's lost your respect so yes, I would end the friendship. See how you feel about the rest when she's been out of your life for a few months. I suspect if she's "confiding" and bragging, it's only a matter of time before she pisses off more people who may decide to report her. From your OP, you are asking whether to end the friendship. Yes. Because you don't share her values and you don't respect her. She likewise doesn't show you much consideration, so I think the friendship you once had is already gone.

getmeoutofthismadhouse · 04/01/2016 18:43

I have a family member similar to this who started uni and got her loans in October and changed into a completely different person. Someone who I used to spend all my time with just turned into a nightmare overnight. Bragging about every little thing she was buying , every conversation turned to money and I couldn't stand being around her . Her too is fiddling for every penny she can not declaring she's got a partner who works so is getting help when she isn't entitled. It annoys me coz she makes out she's Mum of the year being able to spoil her kids but it has made her a nasty person. Ive now cut contact coz I can't stand being around it anymore. Money definitely changes some people. I would start making excuses not to see her anymore and hopefully she might get the bragging out of her system without you having to hear it.
I would rather be skint and have friends than money and be a not very nice person .

Skzr1214 · 04/01/2016 18:43

Oh you have made my blood boil !!! It's people like these who have destroyed the system to this stage and getting away with it. Sick of it All! Me and husband have spent the last ten years working our bones off of our bodies and paid taxes properly. I want the safety net to be there for the real needy but scum like this make it so hard for people like me.
OP, I think you are totally correct and you need to at least stop putting up with her and her clever ways. It's making you feel guilty and making you her punching bag too in a way. Get rid of her as soon as possible.

TheCraicDealer · 04/01/2016 18:44

If she’s running a household on benefits which are intended to support an adult and three kids, then other posters are right. Hardly going to be a life of luxury under normal circumstances. But it sounds like whatever he’s earning (minus perhaps a nominal amount for keep for his uncle) is essentially their disposable income. If he’s self employed, working cash-in-hand etc., then that could be quite lucrative.

If you’re right (and she doesn’t seem to be trying to hide what they’re doing) then it could be she’s got used to the extra cash and needs to fritter it away on brands and holidays; "if you have it, spend it" mentality. But it’s also the fact that she seems to take the opportunity to feel superior to you by virtue of the treats she can now afford which make it even more unpleasant.

It seems that the official line is that she's on her own, so if you do report she's likely to know it's you. I'd walk away now, she sounds like a bore and not worth the drama.

jellyrolly · 04/01/2016 18:49

The benefit fraud isn't really the issue. If you really like a friend then you just accept them and their different lifestyle and values. If your friendship has just naturally run it's course then you part ways. It's not about what she and her partner are doing with money.

Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 18:50

I'm not benefit bashing, not at all, and I'm not about to argue the fact that she gets income support as she has told me this herself, so go figure. And no, I don't think she is having some sort of breakdown, she has always been a little quirky and odd, that I'm used to but it's the lies I'm not so familiar with.

I just cannot get to grips with why she would do this but then at the same time not even attempt to disguise what her and her partner are up to. For instance they still act like people who are very much still together. They may live at separate addresses but he comes to her house every day, does jobs around the home, cooks them dinner, tends to the garden and like I've already mentioned they are about to go on a family holiday all together. I have no experience of a break up whilst I've had children but I very much doubt that the majority of people would conduct themselves in this way if they were genuinely separated.

Christmas was the turning point for me. I was working right up until Christmas Eve but I decided to pop round Christmas Eve morning to drop off some presents for her kids and when I walk inside low and behold her ex is sat there on the couch in his boxers slippers and robe playing Ps4. I was invited round to her house a couple of days later as our kids wanted to play and he was there again, this time in the kitchen with one of those daft Christmas aprons on looking very smug and contented, cooking a gammon joint. I stayed for around an hour but it became very uncomfortable as the two of them were waltzing around laughing and joking, drink in hand acting as though they were a loved up couple, safe to say I've not seen her since.

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MuttonDressedAsMutton · 04/01/2016 18:52

OP have you ever heard of the expression 'over-egging the pudding'?

Yes? Well....That.

Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 19:01

Yes I can honestly say it's not all about the money, the fact that she's lied to me for so long has really hurt me. But it's gone on for that long now and I'm guilty of sitting there and letting her rattle on that I think I've become a little bitter about it. Like I said I don't begrudge anyone working hard and doing well for themselves, I'm not a nasty person. But she already had a decent wage coming in from her partner and yet still chose to swindle money via benefits.

It's not as though me and my dh are struggling financially, we aren't rich but we are comfortable but that's because we both work our backsides off and instead of spoiling our kids with endless amounts of designer clothing and materialistiv tat we are instead saving madly to buy a bigger house so that we can all have some more space. Yet my friend insists on scrutinising my purchases like I'm not as good of a mum as her as I don't spoil them rotten, don't get me wrong I'm comfortable in my choices but she always finds a way of making me feel inferior.

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daisychain01 · 04/01/2016 19:06

I take a very simplistic view of these things.

It seems you and your friend's life have become so different, and what she feels is so important nowadays doesn't match with what you feel is important in life.

On that basis alone, I'd just step away, don't use up your finite energy resources on worrying about any of that detail - just walk away and make friendships elsewhere.

You don't have to slog away at a relationship just because you've known them 25 years. Friendship sometimes has a shelf-life ....

TenTinyTadpoles · 04/01/2016 19:10

Yes, let the friendship go, it doesn't sound like you are much of a friend to her anyway. If you are, talk to her, don't talk to strangers online about a friend's private business.

Viviennemary · 04/01/2016 19:10

If she's technically not breaking the law she is certainly screwing the system for all she can get. You are right to disapprove of this. Benefits are not meant for this type of situation. She's a greedy scrounger. If you feel that this is wrong by all means end the friendship. I know somebody with a horse who is on benefits. It's a scandal.

Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 19:13

Oh really tinytadpoles, because Mumsnet is NEVER used as a place to vent frustrations with other people is it?......

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IASM · 04/01/2016 19:17

They may live at separate addresses but he comes to her house every day, does jobs around the home, cooks them dinner, tends to the garden and like I've already mentioned they are about to go on a family holiday all together. I have no experience of a break up whilst I've had children but I very much doubt that the majority of people would conduct themselves in this way if they were genuinely separated.

Actually, with the exception of the family holiday, XH and I do exactly this. As do a valise friend and her partner. Except that recently someone shopped her to the benefits office (she was not actually claiming fraudulently) and she had everything stopped; despite being able to prove that they had not been together for 2 years, it still took them over 2 months to sort out and they have refused to backdate what she missed.

Your "friend", if this is for real, needs to be careful.

IASM · 04/01/2016 19:18

Close friend, not valise friend.

FrostyNipples · 04/01/2016 19:24

I've got it!

Instead of falling out with your pal fall out with the entire fuck up of a benefits system.

That'll learn em.

Also does she have any livestock?

Georgia85 · 04/01/2016 19:25

I assure you it's for real, I don't know why people keep insinuating it's not? Anyway I totally understand how ex couples would want to keep things amicable especially if they have children together however, if you want to continue living like you were prior to the break up, but living at separate addresses then I'm sorry it should be the couple in question who fund their unique sort of lifestyle not the tax payer, which is actually what is happening in my friends case, and I just can't agree that's acceptable.

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IrenetheQuaint · 04/01/2016 19:27

She sounds quite dull and irritating. Step away quietly and then you can spend the energy you're using on being angry with her behaviour on more interesting activities.

MudCity · 04/01/2016 19:34

I'm with you OP. You don't need a person like this in your life. Report it and move swiftly on.

hadtoregregister · 04/01/2016 19:35

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FriendofBill · 04/01/2016 19:36

Jealousy is so corrosive isn't it?

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