Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

DB and badly behaved nephews. AIBU to refuse to help and also limited contact?

88 replies

jacks11 · 03/01/2016 23:18

I am really at the end of my tether.

My DB and I are not close and don't get on. Very long backstory to it all. We have had yet another row and I don't think I have over-reacted- but dad thinks I have. DM agrees that they are taking the piss.

I have had my nephew's over the last 2 days (one night) as my brother's FIL has been in hospital acutely unwell. I thought SIL/DB have been helping SIL's DM to look after SIL uncle who her DM cares for (he has learning difficulties and now has dementia), so agreed to help out. Normally, we don't have much contact, but I agreed to help in the circumstances.

DN's have been a nightmare! I have tried to make some allowances as older DN (14) is on the autistic spectrum. Younger DN is 5. By way of example, neither seem to understand the word no, they will only do what you ask if they want to. They have broken several things in the house (I think through utter carelessness). They picked what they wanted for dinner (both days) but half way through decided they didn't want it and demanded something else (lunches went without incident). Eldest DN threw a hissy fit when I said I wasn't going to make anything else as he had chosen what he wanted and had eaten most of it. I do understand he has issues with food, which is why he got to chose what he ate. I know he can be very specific, so I made sure brand of pizza was his usual, the right type of ham/cheese for sandwiches etc. I do, however, draw the line and making multiple different meals during the same sitting and having them both eat 1/2 a meal and then demand another meal be produced.

I have had to tell younger DN several times to stop harassing the cats (including pulling their tails) and have had to shut the dogs in the kitchen today as he will not stop tormenting them and I was worried one of them might snap (for the record, none of the dogs has ever bitten or even growled at anyone, it is just that I think even the best natured and most reliable dog can snap if put in the wrong situation).

When DB/SIL came to pick up the boys, I had to tell youngest DN- again- to please stop poking the cat. In front of SIL and DB, who didn't say a word. I also said if he got scratched then he'd only have himself to blame and he'd be the one in trouble. SIL got really cross, said she couldn't believe I would allow DN to get hurt and then blame him for it. I explained that I had spoken to DN several times about leaving the cats (and dogs) alone but that he just kept ignoring me. She kept going on about "he's too little to understand and he doesn't mean it, leave poor little xx alone". I said that I felt that 5 is old enough to understand that you need to do as you are told by an adult and that you need to treat animals and other people with respect. DB backed SIL up and said I was being pernickety and if my pets aren't safe they shouldn't be in the house!

SIL then treated me to a lecture on child-rearing, and how I was expecting too much of her "poor little baby" (by expecting him to do as he's told, to respect other people and their belongings etc) and she felt sorry for my DD having "all these rules"- which I felt was a bit much as I was doing them a favour and also given their DC's less than perfect behaviour. I don't think my DD is a saint, but I would be horrified if she behaved the way DN's have done over the last few days.

I said something along the lines of "we'll just have to agree to differ, but in my house I'm afraid we go by my rules or not at all". DB and SIL were both very rude and angry about the whole situation and brought up a lot of things from the past where they feel they have been treated unfairly (mainly related to inheritance from DGM). I admit to losing my temper somewhat and said that if I was that bad then I can't see why they would leave their DC's with me in the first place, but that I had been appalled at DN's behaviour and given what had just been said, in future they could find someone else to help them with childcare, as I certainly wouldn't be and suggested they leave.

DB phoned this evening to ask if I will have the boys next weekend as he and SIL are "very stressed and need a break". No apology. I have refused to help and am apparently "a poor excuse for a sister". Cue more whining about how unfair it is that they are skint, the discrepancy between our lifestyle and theirs etc. I just said I was not willing to help with childcare anymore and I'd prefer it if we just left contact to essentials- such as to do with parents etc- for now as I am so infuriated with them.

Also just found out they helped with SIL's uncle for 1 morning and afternoon, then her brother came through to help. So they could have picked the boys up yesterday, but decided to have the weekend to themselves. I am beyond furious.

I admit I probably shouldn't have lost my temper, and on the surface it isn't really a massive issue. It isn't even the worst thing they have done. But it is just one more example of DB being so utterly inconsiderate of others and taking the piss that I don't think I can continue to put up with him/SIL. DF thinks DN's need their family. I'm not sure that it is my responsibility, in the circumstances.

OP posts:
MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 04/01/2016 07:10

Definitely not unreasonable! And well done for standing up for yourself!

Trouble with people like them is they don't want to listen so they won't. They'll never change.

I feel very sorry for their children. I'm sure the OP does too but 'saving' them is not within her power when the parents are so wilfully determined to baby them and let them do exactly as they please.

Whoever took offence at the OP using 'hissy fit' and accused her of having 'little understanding' is being a bit precious. Having special needs is not an 'excuse' in this case. He was offered a choice of meals. He ate most of it. Then he demanded something different. Based on his history I would argue this is spoilt and rude rather than because of special needs.

RideEmCowgirl · 04/01/2016 07:33

As you said yourself, you sound like a broken record. The relationship between you and your sibling is non existent. Please come to terms with that because until you do, you will keep going back for more.

You have not been unreasonable in any of this. I remember your previous thread and they are not pleasant people.

I really don't think you should look after the children again. Unfortunately they are products of their up bringing and so you risk your animals and home suffering which is totally unacceptable.

I also think you need to make it clear to your parents that you are an independent adult who can make her own decisions as to which relationships you pursue and if you decide to stop helping your DB then they need to respect that and to stop trying to persuade you otherwise. They are really NOT helping and eventually they run the risk of you getting upset with them too.

honkinghaddock · 04/01/2016 07:43

Magical - how much experience or training in autism do you have?

honkinghaddock · 04/01/2016 07:46

Op, on the whole yanbu but I agree that the hissy fit comment shows a lack of understanding of autism.

gingerdad · 04/01/2016 07:52

Op I'm with you totally. My house my rules.

PegsPigs · 04/01/2016 07:52

You can't change him or the DCs. It's stressing you out so I would limit contact to preserve your mental health and they can worry about their stress and their DCs. For you to clearly tell them you won't be doing childcare only for him to turn round and ask almost straight away shows he doesn't listen to you so why waste your breath?

Groovee · 04/01/2016 07:58

They really are taking the biscuit to have a go at you then want next weekend to themselves.

If the eldest isn't having strategies in place then him melting down will be hard for him, never mind you too.

CakeFail · 04/01/2016 07:59

I don't know much at all about ASD so can't comment on that.

Your DB and SIL are definitely taking the absolute piss though and trying to bully you. Stick to your guns.

MoMoTy · 04/01/2016 08:04

Yanbu, it doesn't work for you and those kids really are badly behaved. You don't need to tolerate it. Let their parents deal with those joyfuls.

Roonerspism · 04/01/2016 08:12

My DD - just 6 - was at our friends the other day and was trying to cuddle the cat. She was warned not to by the owners and me.

It eventually scratched her. We all kind of shrugged - and I cleaned her up and cuddled her.

She was definitely old enough to understand and I think learnt a lesson that day.

Anyway - these people sound like cretins. I feel sorry for their kids who are being brought up as cretins. I would laugh in their face as to their request for next weekend. Much too dangerous you see!

pilates · 04/01/2016 08:13

Op, YANBU

You dealt with the situation in a calm and reasonable manner.

Penfold007 · 04/01/2016 08:21

OP just use the MN mantra "that doesn't work for me". You can't guarantee that one of the animals won't scratch or nip as nephews seem to be unable or unwilling to respect the animals.

Don't put your family under anymore pressure. If either set of grandparents want to babysit then that is their choice. You need to disengage from this drama.

OneInEight · 04/01/2016 08:27

It is so sad that people think it is OK to abandon relations as close as nephews. It is highly likely that the behaviour of the kids was down to anxiety not parenting. Anxiety about being in a strange house, anxiety about an uncle being ill, anxiety about not knowing when things will be back to normal. Under these circumstances a child with an ASD can become incredibly rigid because they need that life-raft of certainty when everything around them is falling apart. And whilst tormenting the pets is clearly unacceptable it might well have been down to sensory seeking which is heightened when stressed in which case provision of alternative activities and distraction will work better than just saying "no". Rather than giving up on your DN's perhaps try and inform yourself of what ASD is and what strategies you can employ to help prevent the unwanted behaviour another time.

Pepperpot99 · 04/01/2016 08:38

Oh rubbish OneInEight. I have just read some of the OP's previous threads and there is a long and extremely nasty history to all of this.

OP your DB and SIL are grabby, manipulative and entitled twats and they have spoiled their dc. Having read some of the previous threads about them I am stunned you agreed to have their dc at all.

You sound very patient and kind but there are limits....

Nataleejah · 04/01/2016 08:40

5yo is not a BABY.
They sound toxic

Roonerspism · 04/01/2016 08:42

oneineight the child poking the cat is 5. Isn't suffering from ASD.

honkinghaddock · 04/01/2016 08:43

It is likely the older dn was anxious.

Collaborate · 04/01/2016 08:56

Your house, your rules. Even if your rules were unreasonable (which they're not), that would still apply.

I can't believe your brother had the cheek to ask you again.

maxybrown · 04/01/2016 08:58

My son has autism and guess what, he throws hissy fits too - just like any other child :/ he also has ASD meltdowns and they are very different. Sometimes he is just having a normal 8 year old strop and trying to push the boundaries. The ASD does not make him a robot, he is still a child and does a lot of normal child things too.

I would have done exactly what the OP did, sounds to me like she did brilliantly with him, made sure she got everything as right as she could for him - if my son did that (and he has and he will again) I would do exactly the same - having ASD is not a form of entitlement :/ and as my son gets older and is learning that we stand our ground and provide clear, firm but fair rules he is coping well.

I hate this attitude of - well what you can do they're only children. Obviously you know they are taking the proverbial OP, I think rant away but then vow to not get involved again.

RideEmCowgirl · 04/01/2016 09:02

My DS behaviour deteriorates when he is stressed but he can still act like an obnoxious child - the key is knowing which it is i.e ASD or stroppy child.

The OP has been fantastic in accommodating him with food - that is his ASD behaviour. Eating half and demanding something else is stroppy child behaviour and should not be pandered too.

Even with ASD they still have to learn. Torment the cat = get hurt. (I know it wasn't the eldest with the cat but added for context)

seastargirl · 04/01/2016 09:05

My 2 year old knows not to torment our cat, she once tried to grab her tail and she was put straight to the sad step, no reason why a 5 year old can't comprehend this.

Yadnbu, I think you were entirely in the right.

honkinghaddock · 04/01/2016 09:05

It could have been a tantrum because he didn't get his own way or it could have been could have been caused by anxiety given the situation.

honkinghaddock · 04/01/2016 09:09

My 9 year old doesn't know he shouldn't grab at animals. I don't let him but no he doesn't know.

LagunaBubbles · 04/01/2016 09:19

You are so nbu OP, all they do is take advantage of you and abuse your good nature. Children with autism are still children, who can misbehave, push buttons etc and it sounds like both of them aren't being taught boundaries and thus us contributing to their behaviour. Whilst I feel sorry for them it's not your job to do this if the parents couldn't seem to care less.

diddl · 04/01/2016 09:40

I think it's awful of them that they ask for emergency help & then take the chance to have time to themselves.

They could at least have asked!

I do think it's sad that you don't get on with your nephews enough to want them.

Then again, a weekend-it's not like asking you to have them for a couple of hours so that they can do something together.

Maybe thatisn't geographically possible?

If your dad is so bothered then he can have his GSs, can't he?

I'm not surprised you feel used.