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To think Ross was a jealous control freak and Joey was a sex pest?

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Cerseirys · 28/12/2015 08:26

I was watching a Friends marathon last night as I had insomnia, and thought bloody hell, Joey was actually pretty creepy the way he would pursue women with his "how YOU doin'" line and do things like take down the shower curtain when he had a female roommate and ask her sex-related questions when interviewing for a new flatmate.

And Ross was bordering on psychotic with his sandwich fixation and jealousy of just about any guy Rachel interacted with. And also that weird overprotective thing when he first found out about Monica and Chandler. She was his sister, not his possession!

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WMittens · 30/12/2015 15:56

Cerseirys

Ross was bordering on psychotic

You clearly don't know what psychosis is.

Cerseirys · 30/12/2015 22:36

Ah yes, I knew there'd be one. Didn't expect it to take nearly 200 posts though.

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WMittens · 31/12/2015 10:53
Wink

I was surprised to see that I was the first pedant in the thread.

Cerseirys · 02/01/2016 04:53

I found the old thread about Ross, and this is what one poster had to say about him. Quite long, but she makes some good points!

"He is in love with the same woman for 9yrs before he does anything about it. He can at first be seen as just infatuated, it's even quite sweet. But he's at times angry, jealous, controlling, manipulative etc. All behind a veneer of vulnerability and big gestures. Of course he then gets into a relationship with this woman. He is pretty full on pretty quickly and starts to change. Rude about her job, clingy, controlling, starts becoming paranoid and jealous, turns up at her place of work and makes scenes, deliberately tags along on a work trip and embarrasses her all because of the perceived threat of 'Mark'. The Mark thing escalates, she finally snaps and they agree to a break. They quickly decide that this is the wrong thing and are making pains to sort things out (over the phone) but of course Mark is there, Ross assumes the worst and sleeps with the Xerox girl. From this point onwards, he changes into something I really don't like.

He runs around trying to conceal the fact he slept with another woman. When found out he says he only did it because he thought Rachel was doing the same (it's her fault he had sex with another woman), he is accusatory, refuses to accept responsibility. He goes on in subsequent episodes to tell Carol that the relationship between him and Rachel broke down because she was sleeping with Mark (all her fault again and blatant lies), he continues to refuse to accept responsibility and when Rachel finally tries to move on and explains how important it is to her that he admits what he did (18 PAGES FRONT AND BACK!!!), he falls asleep, lies, sleeps with her again anyway, then throws it all back in her face.

It continues right to the end. He dates Mona, lies to her, lets her down, changes the locks to keep her out, gives mixed messages, humiliates her etc. He develops a hilarious rage issue where he screams in the face of the woman he's telling the lake Tipidabo story to, screams at another woman about her lighting (the one with his white teeth), invites a woman who is vulnerable to his apartment and humiliates her, calls her his girlfriend, mocks her and then sends her away. All the time continuing his controlling attitude towards Rachel by not giving her phone messages, keeping stuff from her, interfering with her work plans yet again by bribing her boss.

He's given these sweet big gestures and shown as needy and vulnerable but really he's controlling and awful. They got it really wrong towards the end."

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MarkingMyPlace9 · 03/01/2016 11:21

Ok, so I am currently watching Friends on Comedy Central and I just cannot see what your all saying! Ok yes, Ross can be aggressive. But they all know that and are still Friends with Him, so it's just one of His traits that they put up with? And I deff don't see what you all mean about Phoebe, I love Her Grin

MarkingMyPlace9 · 03/01/2016 11:26

And I have never noticed Phoebe smirking. But, I always used to notice Grace from Will and Grace trying not to laugh, that used to annoy me!!

Rachel0Greep · 03/01/2016 11:58

I love Friends. It is my go-to, comfort TV.

Same here. I just watched an episode, while having breakfast. Love it.

Sparklingbrook · 03/01/2016 12:01

I think once you know you notice how very wrong a lot of it was. But its all pretend, and it hasn't stood the rest of time for me.

BalloonSlayer · 03/01/2016 12:28

I've just thought of another irritating US tv sitcom trope.Ordinary looking/not particularly attractive man with stunningly attractive wife/partner/other love interest.

flippinada I like Modern Family but DH doesn't bother to watch and just reads the paper. One day he looked up to comment about Jay and Gloria and how ridiculous it is that they are married (in retaliation for me always complaining about Inspector Morse and all the young women he seems to pull who would never even look at a grumpy balding white haired bloke with a limp in real life). So I explained that "The joke is that this rich old man is married to the fantastically sexy younger woman. And they are both nice people and it does work for them. THIS IS THE JOKE !!" Hmm

Then later he said what about the daughter and son in law? Why is SHE married to a much older unattractive man too. That really puzzled me as I think that Phil (is it Phil?) is a good match for Claire (?) attractiveness wise.

Cerseirys · 03/01/2016 12:32

That's odd, Phil and Claire are meant to be the same age. Even the actors playing them are only a few years apart age-wise. The actress playing their older daughter is the only one playing younger than she really is - the character is meant to be about 20 but she's about 24/25 IRL.

And I'm partial to a bit of Dunphy so wouldn't say Phil is unattractive!

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Cheesymonster · 03/01/2016 13:11

I have a crush on Jay Grin

FannyFifer · 03/01/2016 13:33

Jay over Phil any day. :)

Karanka · 03/01/2016 16:29

The difference between Barney in HIMYM and Joey in Friends is that HIMYM pointed you towards something fundamentally broken and wanting in Barney (not all the time, admittedly, but the shop's sympathies were always with Marshall and Lily, who were always seen as better influences on Ted than Barney) whereas Friends never judged Joey in the same way.

flippinada · 03/01/2016 19:26

Balloon I haven't watched Modern Family - is that the one with Sofia Vergara?

I got to thinking about the trope because in Friends the women got thinner and thinner while the men aged and got fatter. And there's another sitcom where Kevin James plays someone ordinary looking with a stunningly attractive wife. I think it has New York in the title?

Friends is definitely of its time and hasn't aged well at all. IMO.

BalloonSlayer · 03/01/2016 19:59

Had to google her but YES. She's fantastic.

There was another one I read years ago where someone pointed out that a that a black male character on TV will always have a wife/partner with lighter skin than him. Examples were given and it was without exception true. Shock However not long after Fresh Prince started and I think the couple in that bucked the trend. I have noticed myself that in TV ads you will often see a very attractive black woman with a pretty unattractive white male partner - there was one about 20 years ago that really boiled my piss, forget what it was for but it had this weedy nerd of a bloke bumbling incompetently through his life, then marrying a woman who looked like Naomi Campbell Hmm

flippinada · 03/01/2016 20:14

I'll have to check it out now!

The other show I was thinking of is this one: King of Queens. Just LOOK! She's amazing looking and he just....isn't.

Haven't heard that one about black male characters but I can well believe it.

Andylion · 03/01/2016 20:44

A couple of points: did no-one else think it was crappy that Carole slept with Ross just so she could have a baby with her girlfriend? It certainly seemed that way to me. And Carole and Susan were happy to leave him out of the picture once they had what they wanted from him. I hated Susan, who was the OW in that triangle, was always bitchy to him.

Re: Chandler and Rachel and the snogging, isn't it that they both had been so drunk they had forgotten about it? I think that for Rachel, who, after all began the show as a superficial airhead, Chandler probably didn't even register with her as was a geeky, not "hot" guy.

Also, it's fiction.

Cerseirys · 04/01/2016 13:40

Also, it's fiction.

In the words or Phoebe "THIS IS TOTALLY NEW INFORMATION". Or not...

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flippinada · 04/01/2016 13:54

Wait, what? I thought it was documentary!

Grin
Lightbulbon · 04/01/2016 17:56

Carol didn't use Ross to have a baby!

They were married. Having sex like most married couples do. Then she met a woman, fell in love and left Ross for her. She later discovered she was pregnant.

Ross wasn't even certain he wanted to be in the child's life!

He didn't want custody but made a big deal about the baby having his name even though he was barely in his life.

Andylion · 04/01/2016 18:35

They were married. Having sex like most married couples do. Then she met a woman, fell in love and left Ross for her. She later discovered she was pregnant. That all happened in what three weeks?

Lightbulbon · 04/01/2016 18:52

3 weeks?

Where did you get that from?

The scan looked like 3 months.

MrsClusterfuck · 04/01/2016 20:53

Ross tried to persuade Carole not to be a lesbian so they could give it another go when she was pregnant (when they ended up without partners at that sushi place). Always thought that was a bit low, even for him.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 04/01/2016 21:04

I don't think Carole used him..that's a biased spin if ever I saw one.

One of the things I always notice about Friends is that a good percentage of the jokes are based on the premise that the men are petrified of looking girly not manly.

Both the men and the women constantly rip the piss out of the male characters for appearing either gay or girly, even Phoebe who us supposed to be against such things.

KakiFruit · 05/01/2016 13:16

Ross tried to persuade Carole not to be a lesbian so they could give it another go when she was pregnant (when they ended up without partners at that sushi place). Always thought that was a bit low, even for him.

Of all the things to judge him for... a last-ditch, desperate attempt to get back with his wife and raise their baby together? Really?

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