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to wonder what is wrong with Stella Creasy?

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RickRoll · 24/12/2015 01:28

Stella Creasy said that Donald Trump is not welcome in the UK, as he is a 'hate preacher'. twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/674338732762374145

But when the US denies entry to someone, she's making a song and dance about how unjust it is.

She claims that there is a 'growing problem' of British Muslims being denied entry into the US.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/22/us-british-citizens-holiday-muslim-families

This is based on the case of a man, his brother (no women on this trip, apparently at least one of the wives is in Pakistan), and their seven children, whose aborted trip to the US has been presented as a 'trip to Disneyland'.

It appears that one of the 'children' (actually 18) had a Facebook page saying he is a supporter of Al Qaeda/Taliban/violent jihad.

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/23/21/2F9774C300000578-3371472-It_has_since_emerged_that_a_Facebook_page_pictured_claiming_link-m-2_1450905956811.jpg

While the brother was previously denied admission to Israel (as I understand it, being refused entry to another country is generally a huge red flag for travel).

Stella Creasy has also come out in support of Shiraz Maher, a self-described 'Muslim extremist'. twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/679644861415448577

While Ajmal Masroor is another complaining about not being allowed in
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/23/uk-imam-ajmal-masroor-us-business-visa-revoked-without-explanation

except that he has numerous links to extremist Islamist groups

hurryupharry.org/2014/05/02/is-ajmal-masroor-an-extremist/

AIBU to think that

(a) if you are going to complain about hate speech from the likes of Trump, you could keep your eyes open to hate speech from large numbers of people living in your own constituency

(b) to think that it's ludicrous to suggest that there is an active ban on Muslims entering the US, when thousands of Muslims enter the US every day, so coming out with a handful of examples of people denied entry doesn't really show anything

(c) that US immigration authorities do have the right to deny people entry based on specific intelligence (jihad support on social media, previous deportations, links to extremist organisations, and so on)

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Enjolrass · 24/12/2015 15:54

lala yes I know, but the man himself says it was British boarder controls.

I travel to the US on a regular basis an never seen America officials at the gate.

The decision is made by US officials, so you could say they are turned away by US officials. But the US officials don't have to be present.

The decisions was handed to them by a British boarder control person.

I am not sure if I am explaining that well.

lalalonglegs · 24/12/2015 16:03

You're explaining it fine - I was confused because the reports I heard/read definitely said the official was American. I think it is shabby to turn away people at the departure gate without explaining why but I was really appalled that US immigration authorities seemed to have taken over our border control. Luckily, that doesn't seem to be the case Smile.

Enjolrass · 24/12/2015 16:05

It's one of those situations that make sense in my head but not when I write it down. Grin

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