Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

to think its a disgrace that Cameron is going to stop lifetime council tenancies

685 replies

sparklesandglitterxx · 17/12/2015 09:09

and think that that is NOT the solution to the housing crisis?

the solution as far as i can see it is, lots and lots more council houses need to be built, regulation in private renting needs to be improved, and GENUINELY affordable houses to buy for those on low wages that wish to or are able to buy

fed up of seeing the great things about Britain being chipped away. Why punish renters? The whole Tory attitude towards council housing being a last resort for the destitute disgusts me. council housing needs to be brought back to what it was originally meant for...which is a decent secure home for anyone who wants one. i live on a council estate which is a mix of council, HA and bought. People stay here, they build lives here, generally it is a lovely community. i have never been happier or more settled anywhere i have lived, I have done well in my life and been able to have a big family. my children are happy and thriving at school and have lots of friends. My point is if these changes go through, they will end up DESTROYING communities like ours and so many others. The Tories just seem to want everyone either paying their landlord mates every penny they earn or pushing up house prices by buying. But not everyone wants to buy, and more importantly not everyone CAN buy, (I have friends on good money who are still priced out the market) and hardly anyone would actually CHOOSE to be in insecure, expensive private rented !! I also think that if more people are in secure housing, it will help peoples mental health (hence cutting costs in mental health services), it will improve childrens chances in life, as they wont have to keep moving schools and away from friends etc, it will encourage people to better themselves, it will cut the HB bill, and also with people spending less on their rent they will have more to spend in the economy, thus boosting it!

I also suspect it wont end here....while it will be for new tenants only to start with, i would imagine it will end up being everyone in council / HA

OP posts:
leaningtoweroflego · 19/12/2015 23:33

The Tories going on about the economy being safe with them is spin! You do remember David Cameron's background was PR, right? All his MPs have been briefed to give the economy as an answer to everything - it's obvious from watching them. But it's smoke and mirrors, marketing waffle designed to manipulate us. The facts don't bear out their claims.

Debt has risen massively under the tories ... see the image

to think its a disgrace that Cameron is going to stop lifetime council tenancies
x2boys · 19/12/2015 23:36

Alfie from. Reading your posts i think we are in a similar position in the late 90 s I got a mortgage on a flat for£45,000 on a nurses wage I met dh had two dc but we got into financial difficulty and left the flat we got a private rented house then ds2 got diagnosed with a rare chromosome disorder and asd and learning dis abilities and I applied for council housing we got one quickly not because oc circumstances just because they have a lot in my area

,

HelenaDove · 19/12/2015 23:48

In what way is charging an elderly person £26 to be picked up after a fall, helping the vulnerable.

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 09:17

Helana
What do you mean about the elderly being charged £26 to be picked up following a fall .?
I work with this age group and I have never heard anything like this .
Wd be shocked to hear of this .
Where does this happen ?

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 09:24

Helena
Just saw the thread about this .
It looks like this service is part of a care line service which elderly can fund from non means tested attendance allowance .the elderly get between 40 and 80 approx per week to pay for these sort of things .
I think that if a carer had any doubts about the safety of mobilising after fall , then they would call ambulance anyway .at least they would be supported during this process .

leaningtoweroflego · 20/12/2015 09:24

"Pensioners who need help being helped back to their feet after a fall at home will be charged £26 by their local council.

Tendring District Council said it would introduce the fee as part of its Careline service for elderly people who require home care."

link

DeoGratias · 20/12/2015 09:47

ginorwine is right.
Also there are limited resources so let us spend money wisely (and no I am not happy about the very wet Tories we have who are spending far too much) and help those in temporarily difficult circumstances for a limited period until they get back on their feet and back to full time work.

Alfieisnoisy · 20/12/2015 09:52

Just realised who Deo might be. It was the "very wet Tories" comment which did it. Love how PBP can just return.

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 10:28

Helena
£26 a year !
That's a small amount to pay for security !
It frees up some of the ambulance resources , it's sensible .
An emotional reaction to this idea of elderly being charged to be picked up I can understand but if you look at the common sense behind it ?
Don't forget the elderly can get attendance allowance of a mimimum of 40 pounds a week which adds up .
A responder also can get there quickly and reassure .many elderly are frequent fallers who I think would actually be reassured by this .

leaningtoweroflego · 20/12/2015 11:34

ginorwine this is what taxes should be for. If you start charging for essential services where will it end?

The NHS should be free at the point if delivery. We are moving away from that, and it's morally wrong IMO.

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 13:33

Leaning
Not all falls are Medical
You don't need amblulace for all falls
Of course ambulance if needed which is what a carer would do
There is no point having an ambulance for a non medical reason but I'm not saying no amulance if needed therefore medical help remains free
I assume people know that some falls do not need an ambulance - im not saying there should not be ambulances .
I work at a hospital and ambulanc s are in great demand

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 13:51

For eg an elderly person often slowly drops to the floor like a slide from a bed
Am amblulace is not needed unless damage
To be helped by carer and reassured may be helpful and they also get to stay at home
Then ambulance is more likely to be free for life saving work
Sure sounds common sense to me

knobblyknee · 20/12/2015 14:01

Its all the thin end of a very thick wedge. I dont want my country to end up like the USA. Home help should be available for people that need it.

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 14:52

I agree
We have a growing aging population
Suggestions welcome
I still can't justify an ambulance for non medical reason s thought
The elderly who are vulnerable should get attendance allowance this in one week covers more than this cost .

HelenaDove · 20/12/2015 16:17

Should does not mean will.

An old schoolfriends mother passed away recently after being told she was not ill enough to qualify.

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 16:49

If she had care needs that can be evidenced then appeal should take place .
Did she have care needs ?

HelenaDove · 20/12/2015 16:52

I have no idea Her daughter is incredibly upset and angry and i didnt like to ask.

AppleSetsSail · 20/12/2015 17:29

Helena, you're very quick to complain about the government not doing enough. Not everyone wants to rely upon the state to cover all life's unpleasantries. The population is ageing fast.

HelenaDove · 20/12/2015 17:54

Yes the population that were the early baby boomers are now pensioners. I dont recall any complaints while this big group of people were paying out but now its a different tune the other way around.

leaningtoweroflego · 20/12/2015 19:45

ginorwine hold on a minute. Where did I say the alternative to paid assistance is an ambulance?

If elderly people are falling and need assistance to get up, then they should be assisted, if an ambulance isn't appropriate then alternative appropriate care should be provided, not the elderly charged for a private service.

It really is the not so thin end of the wedge, we should not accept this.

ginorwine · 20/12/2015 19:49

Sorry leaning I was just thinking ambulance or the service we were discussing .

redstrawberry10 · 20/12/2015 23:18

Yes the population that were the early baby boomers are now pensioners. I dont recall any complaints while this big group of people were paying out but now its a different tune the other way around.

there is a massive demographics difference now. the number of workers to pensioners was much higher than (much like what is happening in India and other countries now).

now there are too many pensioners per worker and that issue is getting worse.

swisscheesetony · 21/12/2015 07:42

The services those boomers funded were not set up to allow such population growth or ageing. They were not set up for bypass surgery, multiple joint replacements and a myriad of alternative medicines. One could probably have expected friends or family to assist in a fall.

swisscheesetony · 21/12/2015 07:42

Alternative = life extending.

AppleSetsSail · 21/12/2015 09:38

there is a massive demographics difference now. the number of workers to pensioners was much higher than (much like what is happening in India and other countries now).

Yes. The earth is headed for an ageing, 9B population so every single person needs to prepare for old age by saving more and planning on working longer. This isn't really a bad thing, we're beneficiaries of advanced health care.