To think nobody is offended and people are stupid

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Sorry, FB one but I've just seen two different people share a nativity scene on FB with a message saying 'apparently FB doesn't like this picture because some people are offended - TOUGH, Pls share'

Aggghhhhh nobody is offended you morons it's utter nonsense, might just delete them I never speak to them anyway but this crap wheedles out the idiots

No actually, I didn't mean that. I meant exactly what I said.

And, as I made clear in the rest of my post, it is by no means clear that the vicar did say anything along the lines of what you are inferring.

Which (along with the way they were talking) was why I considered it bitchy moaning rather than legitimate concern. There is no evidence at all that the vicar said his beliefs were the one true belief. There is no evidence he said "it was all true" (other than the word of one 4 year old. The other mother responded by saying her child hadn't said he'd said that and it was 'appalling he had').

But I see no reason that a vicar, in the context of a Christmas assembly, should stress again and again that he believes one thing and others believe others. Just as I wouldn't expect the rabbi to do so when he gives an assembly. Or any other faith leader. He was there to talk about the beliefs surrounding Christmas. And there is no evidence he did anything but do that.

And again, these were two parents who were very, very happy to have their children singing about how a special child was born to save the word a week earlier. If you are going to complain about religion, remove your child. Don't keep them in for the bits you think are cute.

They are also the same parents who teach their child Father Christmas is real, despite it not only not being true but not even believing it is true themselves. Though that's a whole other can of worms.

I really don't mind if people don't want their child involved in any religious aspects of Christmas. But the hypocrisy bugs me.

"But I see no reason that a vicar, in the context of a Christmas assembly, should stress again and again that he believes one thing and others believe others."

Nope. Neither do I. Once would do. "Christians believe......" Sorted.

As I would also expect of the Imam and the Rabbi who will be taking assembly in the next few months. They will be, won't they?

I would very much hope a vicar would attest that Christianity is the one true faith. Or else why be a vicar?

Why should he need to qualify that by saying, 'But don't forget, kiddiewinks, that there are also a teeny tiny minority of people who are moral relativists and an even teenier sprinkling who worship twigs'.

"Why should he need to qualify that by saying, 'But don't forget, kiddiewinks, that there are also a teeny tiny minority of people who are moral relativists and an even teenier sprinkling who worship twigs'."

Nope. No reason to say that. Just "Christians believe..........."

Just as I would expect an Imam or a Rabbi to say. Or a twig worshipper.

Nope. Neither do I. Once would do. "Christians believe......" Sorted.

Are you actually reading my posts

I have said repeatedly that the only apparent 'evidence' that the vicar didn't do any of that is the four year old. And we all know what paragons of accuracy they are. The parents believe that the vicar should have repeatedly stressed that some people thought it was a story such that he would come home and report accurately to his mother.

As I would also expect of the Imam and the Rabbi who will be taking assembly in the next few months. They will be, won't they?

Snide much?

I have listened to church leaders/other people involved in church talk to groups of school children about Christianity and say, 'and this is a true story' and it really winds me up actually.

Well, when Jews or Muslims make up 59% of the population then your imams and rabbis can have their moment. Until then let's not quibble about the vicar...

Well, if the vicar DID say "Christians believe........." then there isn't a problem is there? And the women you overheard in such length and detail were wrong.

And it was you that first suggested that the Rabbi would shortly h
Be taking assembly. I just indicated that I would expect him to say "Jews believe......" to reassure you that I'm not "Christian bashing"

Decisions, why does a religion that has shaped our culture and heritage for over a thousand years really wind you up? Because its members actually believe it to be true? What a nonsense all this mealy-mouthed ranting is.

Dunno, Ego, why don't you list some and I'll give you my opinion.

RogerScruton, why exactly should a vicar be able to say 'this is a true story' to a group of children with mixed beliefs without being questioned about it?

I can imagine the uproar if children went on a visit to the mosuque/temple/whatever and were told each time that 'this is a true tory'.

everyone should introduce their belief as 'this is what I believe and I am an x'

Young children aren't mature enough to question it generally and will take it as a fact.

Well, if the vicar DID say "Christians believe........." then there isn't a problem is there? And the women you overheard in such length and detail were wrong.

Oooh, another nice little dig there. "Length and detail". I was waiting for a friend who drops off at the other playground. It was the meeting spot.

And my entire fucking point is that some people are not satisfied with it being factual. They didn't seem at all interested whether the vicar said it was true or whether he said "Christians believe". Their issue, ranting at volume and length, was that their child should have come home accurately reporting that the vicar gave an assembly on what 'Christian's believe'.

They were determined to be offended.

A vicar going into a school does not have to dilute his message in order to appease the humanists. He is entitled to proclaim his message - in a Christian country - as the truth.

I didn't say that the religion wound me up Roger, stop trying to twist things. I said it wound me up that it was presented as 'this is a true story'. It would wind me up if anyone from any religion/set of beliefs said this to children in school or on a school visit EVEN IF IT WAS A BELIEF THAT I HOLD MYSELF.

With the greatest of respect, Roger, a) the only ranting I can see is yours, and b)I really don't care what anyone's personal beliefs are. The key word being "personal".

But you do care. You care very much. You cannot abide that Christians in this country make up a whopping 59% of the population and that the God they worship is still enjoying privileges in the public sphere.

And I am saying you ought to at least try to get over it as researchers have predicted that the status quo will remain in 2050.

"Their issue, ranting at volume and length, was that their child should have come home accurately reporting that the vicar gave an assembly on what 'Christian's believe'"

Well, frankly, that's what I would expect in a non faith school too. "The Vicar came and told us what Christians think about Christmas" "A rabbi came and told us what Jewish people think about Hannukah" "A stick worshipper came and told us what stick worshippers think about Yule Logs"