Lee Rigby murder: Michael Adebolajo suing over teeth lost in prison

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35058076

I hope that any compensation awarded is given to Lee Rigby's family.

Michael Adebolajo should not see a penny.

But I'd certainly rather not be repeating in detail what happened. See above for not giving publicity.

And in fact I think that overrides dealing with your repeated accusations about "making stuff up". Accuse away - knock yourself out. I've linked the article, anyone who cares can actually read it.

Had Peter Connelly (Baby P), also mentioned up thread lived, where do you think he would've ended up in life?

WTAF IPity! How dare you cast aspersions on to the future conduct of an innocent baby boy who was murdered. FYI not all vulnerable and damaged people end up committing terrible acts or spending time in prison.

that is from a precis of the Telegraph article

I did state this, but wouldn't want anyone to be confused...

Because if we have a system where we will turn a blind eye to some prisoners being assaulted but not others

Not picking up this op, but just to say he wasn't assaulted, he was restrained during a violent incident.

Personally, I think they should have restrained him a bit more. I don't know a swear word bad enough for him.

Everyone in prison was an innocent baby once.

Ah, Thanks Limited I see now

Agreed whatthehell

And to answer the OP, that thing should certainly not receive a penny. While they are in prison, prisoners should lose their civil liberties which includes using tax payers money for spurious claims. This thing chopped a man up in the street and it is deemed right and proper that the state give a shite about his teeth in an incident that he caused?

He should have been 'put to sleep' a long time ago as there is no chance he was not guilty or that he could be rehabilitated after committing an act like that. He would have been afforded more dignity and humane treatment that he gave Lee Rigby. Then Lee Rigby's family would never have to cope with seeing this piece of crap in the news, trying to assert his 'human rights'.

How do you propose to decide what claims are spurious without investigating them in some way whatthehelldoidonow? However you do it, it costs time and money, whether that's the system of independent investigation we use now or anything else you want to come up with.

There was a gun, an old and probably non-functioning one. The reason why they had it was unlikely to be because they wanted to shoot people. It was more likely to guarantee that the firearms squad came out and shot at them so they could be 'martyrs'.

If one of the murderers did have a gun, then I apologise.

But you are unable to read news reports pausing so I'm going to give it one more go and then I'm going to put the dinner on.

The sentence you quote from that Telegraph article - Police fired again at the hand holding the gun and shot Adebowale’s thumb off - is reported speech. It's not a statement. It's the Telegraph reporter's summary of the evidence.

You can tell that because it's not in quotation marks - though in your post you put them round it.

We don't know what the police intended to do.

I guess they just wanted to stop him and that it wasn't a Hollywood thing where Clint Eastwood drills someone and then blows smoke from his magnum.

WhatTheHellDoIDoNoww I think IPityThePontipines post mentioning BabyP was pertinent and accurate. And in no way hysterical

It may not by hysterical but its not fair.

We have no idea how Baby P would have ended up at all.

Hang on .... He was being restrained!!! This wouldn't have happened if the need to be restrained had not occurred.
His fault for not coming out of his cell calmly !!!!
I have no sympathy ... Give him and uncomfortable plate of teeth and be done with it!!!! He's lucky he is getting NHS TREATMENT !!!

We have no idea how Baby P would have ended up at all.

No, we don't. So why are you upset at pity for suggesting that someone who has been so vilely abused and has grown up learning not to trust the people we deserve to trust the most - our mum and dad - might have difficulties relating to the world and the vulnerable people in it?

Seems tragic, yet obvious, to me that someone treated like Baby P might grow up like that.

Bringing Baby P into this is dreadful.

Seriously. How could you?

FYI plenty of abused children do NOT become criminals.

Moomazoo, if that is the case, and if it is proved that the prison officers used correct and lawful restraint techniques, he will presumably lose his case and/or it won't be allowed to proceed. However, you need to contemplate the possibility that the prison version of events isn't necessarily correct, and also that there may have been negligence in terms of the restraint - certainly if someone being restrained ends up with smashed teeth, question marks arise because the whole point of restraint training is that it is supposed to be safe.

We can't say that the prison is absolved from all duty of care purely because the prisoner put himself into the position where he needed to be restrained. If that were the case, we would also be saying that, for instance, the state is absolved from all duty to protect prisoners from other violent prisoners, or to provide food that complies with hygiene standards because it is the fault of the prisoners for getting themselves convicted.

Oh, FFS, didn't we just know that there would be people on here getting all emotive about Baby P. It is perfectly legitimate to point out that children with awful upbringings like that tend to react badly. The simple fact is that if he hadn't died it is unfortunately only too likely that he would still be with his mother and that years of abuse would have damaged him and left him extremely vulnerable - like many people in prison. The fact that some abused children don't become criminals is irrelevant.

Oh ffs.

Cod psychology at its best.

There will come a time when he will look back at having two teeth knocked out as the least of his troubles......he may wish he had choked on them.
He will get hard, hard time in prison. Apart from the obvious physical threats to him, I imagine the fear of it 24/7, 365 days a year for years to come will be torture in itself.

Much better than being shot and killed outright by the police.

Why do people have so much trouble getting their heads round the concept that MN cannot host comments condoning murder?

And, indeed, that refusing to accept comments like that doesn't make anyone a wet liberal?

Suppose I'm used to rl, where people don't tiptoe around what they mean.
Not one person I have spoken to about this case has thought he deserves any less.