To love the idea of scrapping all benefits and just giving everyone £500 a month

[DyslexicScientist]

Like Finland are going to do.

Would get rid of all the east that goes on with means testing and would cost about the same.

Would be much fairer as the current system does discriminate against certain demographics.

Well technically its not a depression, as we haven't been in a recession since 2010.

There are lots of thing technically true, like inflation going down, only because they fiddle the stats to make them do that. Yay iPods are going down in price that you buy once every few years, but food that you have to consume daily has doubled in price.

Most btl people are highly leveraged though, and couldn't stand for a few percentage interest rate hikes and voids. Many are OK io so the debt is never going down.

And Carney did such a good job in Japan.

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*Canada!

I'd rather go with technicalities than opinion, really. Inflation has its not a depression as there has been growth.

There has been lower inflation, this means prices rise more slowly but still rise, even using the RPI measurement of 1.1 there has still been an increase in prices.

I'd still back Carney's doubts over yours dyslexic seeing as you don't understand basic principals of the topic.

Sorry don't know why there is a random "inflation" in there.

Should read: " Its not a depression has there has been growth."

Seeing as a depression is usually thought to be a recession that last two or more years, we aren't and haven't been in a depression.

A single family would not get £500 a month. The £500 per month would be for a single person.

And Carney did such a good job in Japan.

these low interest rates are causing all sorts of problems. Canada is entering a bubble, and theirs may really be a bubble because they actually build houses there (in London, while prices have skyrocketed, a lot of that is justified by supply and demand).

Still £500 a month would put people into poverty, benefits are not supposed to be about subsistence living, but to keep people engaged in society.

I agree this would never work, but just to throw spanner in the works, and this is only loosely connected, but it infuriates me beyond belief, I know two retired people, one who has worked there entire life, struggled to buy a small house now lives off state pension and very small work pension of £100 per month but excludes them from any state benefits. The other person I know is on disability and has been for 20 years, has own house also, always has cash for shopping, has a brand new car all paid for and plenty of cash for heating and bills, where's the equality in that!!

This is already more than some people get on benefits. Benefits as they are currently designed actively work against people taking temporary work or very part time work. The CI would encourage people to take this kind of work and to be entrepreneurial to boost their income.

One is disabled, the other isn't, where's the equality in that?

What a stupid statement..

Benefits are not designed to make people less likely to work, that's just the bureaucracy around them, which is put in place to make them harder to claim to please the tabloid reading masses.

I'd rather go with technicalities

& fudged figures...

Fixed it for you. Who cares if the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, as long as on paper some fudged figures say everything isbooming.

Agree with a pp about Canada.

Oz too, esp with the commodity drops. Over there they've been giving tax payers money for people to buy houses, thank fuck we have nothing like that over here.

Still you don't have any counter figures Dyslexic, just opinion, based on a scant understanding...

I do care if the rich are getting richer, but that is about inequality not about whether we are in a recession or not, conflating your arguments there. Nice.

God knows why MNHQ thought this thread was especially goady...this is a recognized concept for improving benefits systems and we should all think about it.

To be fair it was going to be deleted as so many people reported it and were outraged. You only have to mention a change to the benefits system to see people go from 0 to crazy without even thinking about the suggested change and what affect it will have. Your automatically benefits bashing to even use the b work, in the eyes of some.

Scant thanks. The issues are all connected. I don't need to stoop to throwing insults.

If that statement long time is aimed at me, I am talking about someone who manages to do everything apart from work, slight complications now older but could still go out, shop go on holiday, just took slightly longer than non disabled person, who always seems to show off purchases to non disabled so not a stupid statement. I am not saying that disability benefits should not exist, just that when people are older the differences between disabled and non disabled is not so clear cut, many elderly people who are not disabled could benefit from some of the help disabled people get

The bureaucracy of reapplying for benefits means that most people will not take on temporary work, as the delay in benefits can cause them serious financial chaos. And yet those with little or no work history are far more likely to get temporary work, than permanent work. Temporary work can be a great stepping stone into a company. It gives them a chance to see what you are capable of, at low risk to themselves.

My parents are on state pension and they get less than they would get on a CI. And yes the benefit rules actively works against those with a small private pension. If you can not get a decent pension, there is no point in having a private pension.

Disability benefits are being cut. And once you hit pension age you do not get disability benefits. Presumably because otherwise the majority of elderly people would be entitled to them.

So how come this person I know has blue badge and car on disability

Okay just checked. You can not claim for disability benefits for the first time when you reach pension age. If you were already getting it when you were younger, you can continue to get it.

Yes that is unfair.

My nan gets DLA, motability and blue badge and she is well over pension age. I think you have to apply before the age of 65 but it's not removed just because you have reached that age. She's been on it since she was 55.

You have no idea how difficult other peoples lives are. A wheelchair costs over £2,000 - second hand and refurbished.
A prescription is over £8 per item.

YABU. I'm glad I dont know you, I'd be shocked how insular and ill informed you are.
People need to stop acting as if benefits come straight out of your pocket.

I agree that some elderly people could do with more help but that is not a reason to remove it from people with a disability.