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In tears

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G1veMeStrength · 02/12/2015 22:40

Fucking parliament. You utter bastards. You're going to kill people and it won't stop anything.

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buffyajp · 03/12/2015 08:11

Oh get a grip. Your in tears really. You may not agree with the decision but don't make out that this is some great tragedy for you personally. I don't know where I stand on this issue but I do know we can't stand by and do nothing like Corbyn wants. Why don't you try calling those evil people who are part of IS bastards? Corbyn is a hypocrite of the highest order. Makes out he is a pacifist but refused to condemn ira atrocities in the past. I would have no issue with his stance if it wasn't for that. I am glad some of you were not in charge of the country during ww2 otherwise Hitler and the Nazis would have won.

Djelibeyb · 03/12/2015 08:12

I fear it won't help at all just escalate things faster. ISIS are not confined to Syria. They have cells of suicide bombers etc all over the world. Bombing Syria will kill some but will also kill many innocents and piss off a load more.

They fight by stealth and with homemade bombs and co ordinated plans. We should be trawling the net trying to disrupt and intercept communications. We need to be fighting at their level which is secrecy and subterfuge. I sincerely hope that those things are being done as well or we will have world war 3 on our hands by the end of next year.

SparklyTinselTits · 03/12/2015 08:14

I can't even describe how utterly drained and empty I feel waking to this news today.
This is how it begins. There will be ground troops in no time...just history repeating itself.
And I really don't think I can handle all that emotion again, let alone put my child through it.
I will be praying for every other military family out there, in the hope that their loved ones stay safe in the coming weeks and months.

witsender · 03/12/2015 08:16

When they know exactly what building their targets are in, and that no surrounding buildings will be destroyed then fine, I'll change my terminology. However air strikes are notoriously inaccurate, and devastating.

SoupDragon · 03/12/2015 08:17

If we know where ISIS is to the point that we can target missiles enough to minimise civilian casualties, why aren't they going in on foot? Answer being, they can't be that precise.

Or answer being it's far safer for British troops to bomb from a distance rather than go in on foot.

evilcherub · 03/12/2015 08:17

to those who are against the bombing, what is your solution to defeating ISIS?

robinofsherwood · 03/12/2015 08:18

I don't believe there is a peaceful solution with ISIS. However, I haven't seen a single argument that suggests air strikes will work. My understanding is that a lot of ISIS attacks aren't even directly ordered by the organisation, merely inspired. To me, this is the latest in a long line of action in the middle east, carried out because we have to do SOMETHING but with no real hope ofimprovements. I have not seen a single person say 'bombing will achieve x'.

So I'm with the op, I don't know what the solution is - though whatever it is needs to deal with radicalism in all countries and probably starts with MPs not cheering when there is a risk of innocent civilians being killed. I just know that we've been trying the bombing solution for over a decade and it doesn't work, so I'd like the experts to come up with something different.

And a UK attack wouldn't change my view. An attack in which I lost someone I loved wouldn't change my view. Someone explaining to me specifically how bombingwill stop ISIS might.

Enjolrass · 03/12/2015 08:19

why aren't they going in on foot?

Invading a country on foot is seen as far worse than air strikes.

Can we even do that without Assads invitation? as the plan isn't to overthrow him.

I also don't think the MPs would have gone for this.

I just can't see how sitting back and doing nothing is ok.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 03/12/2015 08:20

You may not agree with the decision but don't make out that this is some great tragedy for you personally.

Why would OP only cry for herself?

U2 is right. Some of these comments are nasty and personal.

MsJamieFraser · 03/12/2015 08:24

Innocent people are condemned to die, its understandable that your upset over it.

I was also upset at the deaths of innocent deaths of the Paris attack.

There will be blood shed, and that I dont think should sit right with any humane person.

multivac · 03/12/2015 08:26

"Drown me! Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please," said Brer Rabbit. "Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

"The briar patch, eh?" said Brer Fox. "What a wonderful idea! You'll be torn into little pieces!"

Grabbing up the tar-covered rabbit, Brer Fox swung him around and around and then flung him head over heels into the briar patch. Brer Rabbit let out such a scream as he fell that all of Brer Fox's fur stood straight up. Brer Rabbit fell into the briar bushes with a crash and a mighty thump. Then there was silence.

Brer Fox cocked one ear toward the briar patch, listening for whimpers of pain. But he heard nothing. Brer Fox cocked the other ear toward the briar patch, listening for Brer Rabbit's death rattle. He heard nothing.

Then Brer Fox heard someone calling his name. He turned around and looked up the hill. Brer Rabbit was sitting on a log combing the tar out of his fur with a wood chip and looking smug.

"I was bred and born in the briar patch, Brer Fox," he called. "Born and bred in the briar patch."

Enjolrass · 03/12/2015 08:26

Why would OP only cry for herself?

I agree with this.

I cried loads during the last Iraq war. Not just for my stepbrother who went out and died. But over it all.

Ffs I have seen les mis 5 times in the west end and still cry and it's not even real.

Crying isn't pathetic

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 03/12/2015 08:28

When they know exactly what building their targets are in, and that no surrounding buildings will be destroyed then fine, I'll change my terminology. However air strikes are notoriously inaccurate, and devastating.

I think the intelligence HAS been that accurate recently (this isn't GW1).

Which isn't t say that there will be NO mistakes, which will be dreadful if it happens. But you can't call that 'indiscriminate'.

And what is the alternative? What hope is there currently for the innocent people of Raqqa etc. They are living in hell.

Salene · 03/12/2015 08:28

Russia's bombing campaign in Syria will lead to further radicalisation and increased terrorism said David Cameron on the 4th October 2015........ Hmmmmm fucking hypocrite

Sallystyle · 03/12/2015 08:34

You may not agree with the decision but don't make out that this is some great tragedy for you personally.

What a strange outlook.

I cry for people who are innocently killed. It's not my personal tragedy, but it's a tragedy all the same and as I'm not a selfish prick, I actually do cry for others.

witsender · 03/12/2015 08:35

Did those decrying the OP not feel sad or cry at the Paris bombings? Or 9/11? I know I did. Why is this different?

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 03/12/2015 08:38

What a strange outlook

Isn't it?

atticusclaw2 · 03/12/2015 08:40

Air strikes focus on specific military targets. They target things such as the oil tankers that distribute the oil fields captured by IS. This cuts off a significant source of revenue and this impacts on their ability to recruit more followers and to fund attacks. They also focus on installations where known targets are located, thus impacting on the ability of IS to organise themselves.

This is how bombing helps. Its not focussed on civilians.

I am interested to know why there hasn't been the same outcry about us doing exactly the same thing in Iraq for many months? Why is Syria different? All we've done by leaving the terrorists in Syria alone is allowed the terrorists to build up their operation there (and cause terror amongst the innocent syrian civilians many of whom are now fleeing)

I am also quite stunned at the naivety some show in thinking that there is a case for diplomacy. As if Corbyn (or anyone else) talking is going to do anything. It is our fundamental western way of life these people object to. They don't have a focussed objective, they just want us gone. Not just from the middle east but from everywhere. If we sit back and do nothing they will be rubbing their hands together in glee. They don't need an "excuse" to target us. They will try to do that anyway.

We have rarely as a country sat back and let atrocities happen around us thinking "I'm alright jack". We punch above our weight and we will not allow bullies and terrorists to win. I'm proud of that.

atticusclaw2 · 03/12/2015 08:41

that distribute from the oil fields

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 03/12/2015 08:42

I am also quite stunned at the naivety some show in thinking that there is a case for diplomacy.

Yes, I genuinely wish someone would explain how diplomacy with Daesh would work. I can't begin to fathom it.

Flumplet · 03/12/2015 08:43

Da'esh.

ohtheholidays · 03/12/2015 08:43

OP I know where your coming from,I just wish someone anyone had the answer to how we stop it all.Not just the war that's happening with Isis but the wars that are going on everywhere.

Every single day there are people being killed all over the world and all in the name of war.This isn't the way the world was supposed to be.

KeepOnMoving1 · 03/12/2015 08:49

I don't know what the solution is but I can still feel devastated for those innocent people. I can't imagine the fear they must be living in just waiting to see if they live Sad

justgoandgetalife · 03/12/2015 08:53

I must have missed something along the way - why is everyone referring to ISIS as Da'esh now? What does the term mean please?

SchnooSchnoo · 03/12/2015 08:56

Can somebody who is pro air strikes actually explain what good things they think are going to happen as a result of this?

And for those who think the op is pathetic and needs to 'grow up', I cry every time I read anything about the refugee crisis because it's horrendously awful and sad! And it is about to be made worse. I'm really starting to think that some people completely lack empathy and imagination. I don't think us anti-bombers are the naive and stupid ones.